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President Reagan has Died

Dan_Shues
06-05-2004, 04:48 PM
Disclaimer: The following article was copied and pasted right after Mr. Reagen passed away. While it may contain opinions and facts of a political nature. This is not the intended purpose. This thread is to celebrate the life of a man and to mourn his passing...not to debate about his political philosophies and actions.

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LOS ANGELES (AP) Ronald Reagan, the cheerful crusader who devoted his presidency to winning the Cold War, trying to scale back government and making people believe it was "morning again in America," died Saturday after a long twilight struggle with Alzheimer's disease, a family friend said. He was 93.

He died at his home in California, according to the friend, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The White House was told his health had taken a turn for the worse in the last several days.

Five years after leaving office, the nation's 40th president told the world in November 1994 that he had been diagnosed with the early stages of Alzheimer's, an incurable illness that destroys brain cells. He said he had begun "the journey that will lead me into the sunset of my life."

Reagan body was expected to be taken to his presidential library and museum in Simi Valley, Calif., and then flown to Washington to lie in state in the Capitol Rotunda. His funeral was expected to be at the National Cathedral, an event likely to draw world leaders. The body was to be returned to California for a sunset burial at his library.

Reagan lived longer than any U.S. president, spending his last decade in the shrouded seclusion wrought by his disease, tended by his wife, Nancy, whom he called Mommy, and the select few closest to him. Now, Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton are the surviving ex-presidents.

Although fiercely protective of Reagan's privacy, the former first lady let people know his mental condition had deteriorated terribly. Last month, she said: "Ronnie's long journey has finally taken him to a distant place where I can no longer reach him."

Reagan's oldest daughter, Maureen, from his first marriage, died in August 2001 at age 60 from cancer. Three other children survive: Michael, from his first marriage, and Patti Davis and Ron from his second.

Over two terms, from 1981 to 1989, Reagan reshaped the Republican Party in his conservative image, fixed his eye on the demise of the Soviet Union and Eastern European communism and tripled the national debt to $3 trillion in his singleminded competition with the other superpower.

Taking office at age 69, Reagan had already lived a career outside Washington, one that spanned work as a radio sports announcer, an actor, a television performer, a spokesman for the General Electric Co., and a two-term governor of California.

At the time of his retirement, his very name suggested a populist brand of conservative politics that still inspires the Republican Party.

He declared at the outset, "Government is not the solution, it's the problem," although reducing that government proved harder to do in reality than in his rhetoric.

Even so, he challenged the status quo on welfare and other programs that had put government on a growth spurt ever since Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal strengthened the federal presence in the lives of average Americans.

In foreign affairs, he built the arsenals of war while seeking and achieving arms control agreements with the Soviet Union.

In his second term, Reagan was dogged by revelations that he authorized secret arms sales to Iran while seeking Iranian aid to gain release of American hostages held in Lebanon. Some of the money was used to aid rebels fighting the leftist government of Nicaragua.

Despite the ensuing investigations, he left office in 1989 with the highest popularity rating of any retiring president in the history of modern-day public opinion polls.

That reflected, in part, his uncommon ability as a communicator and his way of connecting with ordinary Americans, even as his policies infuriated the left and as his simple verities made him the butt of jokes. "Morning again in America" became his re-election campaign mantra in 1984, but typified his appeal to patriotrism through both terms.

At 69, Reagan was the oldest man ever elected president when he was chosen on Nov. 4, 1980, by an unexpectedly large margin over incumbent Democrat Jimmy Carter.

Near-tragedy struck on his 70th day as president. On March 30, 1981, Reagan was leaving a Washington hotel after addressing labor leaders when a young drifter, John Hinckley, fired six shots at him. A bullet lodged an inch from Reagan's heart, but he recovered.

Four years later he was re-elected by an even greater margin, carrying 49 of the 50 states in defeating Democrat Walter F. Mondale, Carter's vice president.

whiterose
06-05-2004, 05:54 PM
It's always a sad day when a president dies, no matter what anyone thought of them. :(

Serendipity
06-05-2004, 08:40 PM
Originally posted by Dragonfly
~giggles at Nessa~ You work for the government ... you should KNOW better then to think consideration is EVER a factor in their decision making.


Well, the feds were pretty *considerate* to not prosecute those fed employees from the pentagon who abused the credit cards they were given.... not so much as an arrest. *sigh* and meanwhile, I have to raise hell and high water to not even be able to make rent. *double sigh*

Reagan body was expected to be taken to his presidential library and museum in Simi Valley, Calif., and then flown to Washington to lie in state in the Capitol Rotunda. His funeral was expected to be at the National Cathedral, an event likely to draw world leaders. The body was to be returned to California for a sunset burial at his library.

Christ. WHO is paying for this!

When I die, I won't waste valuable taxpayer money. Just cremate me.

:rolleyes:

Harrison
06-05-2004, 10:05 PM
....At the time of his retirement, his very name suggested a populist brand of conservative politics that still inspires the Republican Party.

He declared at the outset, "Government is not the solution, it's the problem," although reducing that government proved harder to do in reality than in his rhetoric.

Even so, he challenged the status quo on welfare and other programs that had put government on a growth spurt ever since Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal strengthened the federal presence in the lives of average Americans.

Gosh, folks....

So....is this a political thread about a deceased politician?
Or isn't it?

Just curious.

Dan_Shues
06-05-2004, 10:10 PM
No...

It's called me making a thread to mourn the passing of a great American, and copying and pasting an article to expound on it...

Thank you very much...

~Dan

RobsGirl
06-05-2004, 10:21 PM
Dan has a point - true, Reagan was a politician but he was more than that. He was a great American, he ended the Cold War, had one of the longest running and most successful marriages in Hollywood history (even those most of his kids were totally screwed up...) and he DID do some good for this country. Never mind he got shot by a psycho. I think he was a great guy and I'm not even a Republican. . .not a democrat either, lol, but I still think he was a good person and his death is a sad thing. Have some compassion, Harrison, yeesh, Alzheimers is a terrible way to die.

LADave
06-05-2004, 10:39 PM
I had the privilege of hearing President Reagan speak, live, about 1985 or so. I was in band at my high school in Las Vegas. President Reagan came to town one day to address a convention of the National Association of Secondary School Principals. My school band was invited to play for the event. We went and played "Ruffles and Flourishes" followed by "Hail to the Chief." Mr. Reagan delivered a speech to the assembled audience that drew a great deal of applause.

At no other time have I heard a live Presidential speech, or even seen a President in person for that matter. I'll always feel something of a bond to President Reagan.

Rest in peace, Mr. President

MerAlove23
06-06-2004, 09:59 AM
I also started a thread in the war and politics section ......

but I for one think he was a great president... and molly I loved your post!!!

it's a very sad day.. and no matter what political side your on.... he will go down as one of the best presidents and should be respected now and his family because like them we are definatly going to morn such a great loss......

God bless him and his family!!

whiterose
06-07-2004, 08:05 AM
Originally posted by Desert Spring
I just believe that if one is going to mourn for someone, you should mourn for who they really were, not who you might wish they were.

What you just said insinuates that the opinions of Dan, and others who admired Reagan, really don't matter. Who are you to judge someone for mistakes they have made in their personal life? And, how inappropriate to do so upon his passing. I'm sure that your response to my question will be that you don't care what people say and think about you, but how would you like it after you die for people to post all your personal mistakes on a message board, rather than celebrating the good that you did do? Whatever happened to showing respect to our dead American brothers and sisters, including those whose beliefs oppose our own?

Dan_Shues
06-07-2004, 08:17 AM
I'm not going to say another word, except for this...

When a person dies, at the funeral...they don't go over a check list of all the negatives that they have accomplished in thier lives. I don't remember them talking about things at my grandfather's funeral, all the mistakes he might have made...

And, at any funeral you've ever been to, I seriously doubt they did that either. I doubt they celebrated all his crowning failures and mistakes as a human being. Did they? I seriously doubt. Maybe a childhood anecdote...but, that's about it...

Well, this is no different. And just because he was an actor and politician, does not mean he shouldn't be afforded the same respect and treatment that we give those around us...

So, you can list his failures. How would you feel if I came to your funeral, where everyone was crying and listed all of your failures? I suspect I would be not welcome.

Well...Ronald Reagan, the man, deserves the same respect and treatment we give folks at funerals...whether he was actor, politician, dead down drunk, or a normal average joe...

And that's MY story, and I'm sticking to it...

~Dan

Maria
06-07-2004, 10:57 AM
I am going to split this thread. All the posts containing political mentions will be directed to the new thread. You can continue to discuss the political views of the former President Reagan there. All the posts that just contain opinions on his death and free of political views will remain here.

That's the best I can do and I hope you'll understand. The thread originally opened by Dan_Shues should remain a thread for opinions on the death of a man, not of a politician.

And please, be patient for 5 minutes, splitting a thread takes time, so I'll close the thread for just those 5 minutes and then you can restart posting.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Maria
06-07-2004, 11:21 AM
Ok, folks, it's done. Now to be fair with everyone, I would like to ask you to edit any political views that might have been left behind here (some posts were so mixed up) and leave just the opinions on the man.

I can't move parts of posts, and now I can't move posts anymore. So I would like to ask you to do it yourselves.

Thank you. :)

awhi
06-07-2004, 11:30 AM
Ronald Reagan was the first president of my lifetime. I was born 13 days after he was sworn into office.

I couldn't comment on his politics even if I wanted to. I was just a little child when he served as president, so I truly don't remember much about him at all. By the time I could associate him as president, it was almost time for him to leave the White House.

The first time I actually remember seeing him as when the Challenger exploded, just one week before my fifth birthday. I saw him address the nation that night, wondering who he was and why he spoke. It wasn't until I got older that I could associate him as the president (and why our nation has a president and what this office is about).

Nevertheless, I primarily have what history books and my family/friends say about him. I truly wish I could remember more about him, but I guess a child's mind focuses more on "Sesame Street" than the goings-on of national/global politics.

My thoughts and prayers go out to his family. America mourns this week...but hopefully the memory of Ronald Reagan will carry us forward to brighter times.

Adam

marcy
06-07-2004, 11:37 AM
I am not a Republican. I do not embrace the politics. However, it is a sad time when a President passes. He was a remarkable man. He will be missed. As a country, we mourn.

Rest in Peace Mr. President. You and your family deserve it.

MerAlove23
06-07-2004, 07:08 PM
I am just watching the service that was held for Pres. Regan today..... I taped it on Tivo....

I just want to say what a strong strong woman.... Nancy is such a strong woman....I cried as I watched her....Just so sad..... I remember that feeling of losing my fiance....Different I'm sure....she was with him for 52 years and me with my fiance for 7 years before he died.... but either way I know it must be so hard for her expecially when she is in the public eyes right now... and needs to be strong and she is.... god bless

MerAlove23
06-07-2004, 07:33 PM
thatgirl....

I'm so jealous :(

She is beautiful woman inside and out...

Dan_Shues
06-10-2004, 09:11 AM
Just thought I'd pass this on to this thread...got this in my email this morning...

https://www.ronaldreaganmemorial.com/condolence_book.asp

JMP
06-10-2004, 05:14 PM
I Loved Pres. Reagan, these are some things I remember about him.

I remember my mom who is a "yellow dog Democrat" loving Pres. Reagan. I remember saying MAMMA you like Reagan? And she laughed and said yes!! I think he is honest and I love his humor. lol She thought it was so funny when he was shot that he said "oops, I forgot to duck" She also laughed when he fired the airtraffic controllers, we all cheered. He is the only republican president she wished she had voted for.

I remember before Reagan, everyone seemed to be in a slump, driving tiny little cars, worried about a non-existent "energy crisis" and everyone seemed ashamed to be patriotic. I lived in Seattle then. I remember going to baseball games at the KingDome and hardly anyone stood for the national athem, and if you put your hand over your heart or took your hat off, they looked at you like you were an alien. The big movie of the time was REDS (about communism) ???

After Reagan took office, a movie came out with Clint Eastwood about a spy plane being hijacked from the Soviet Union (cant remember the name of it). It was the first time a patriotic movie had been made in a long time. We were at the movies, and everyone was cheering at the end for the US, and I hadn't seen that since I was a little kid. Suddenly at baseball games, people were standing for the national athem and singing!! Everything just started moving and fast. He brought HOPE back to us all.

I heard on the news last night someone asked what did Reagan do for poverty and what about AIDS, saying he didn't help in that area. The answer given them was the poverty level overall is the same rate that it has been before and since Reagan give or take a few notches. And Reagan gave over 6 billion in aid to AIDS causes, more than any other president had at that time or since. I think there has been more given recently.

I also remember Reagan deregulating the telephone exchange market so that we could have more competition and competitive prices. That is when my ex and I started a business as an alternative network for pay phone services.

I will remember him and the years he served his country as good ones. :)

God Bless Ronald Reagan and his family and God Bless America

Cindy
06-10-2004, 10:46 PM
I mourn the death of a human being who was also the President of the United States. Even though I didn't respect alot of his politics, I respect the man and those who mourn him.

I would be happy to debate his politics at another time.

At this time, I will join the country in showing respect for each of them and for our past president.

Cindy

whiterose
06-11-2004, 05:23 AM
I liked his optimism, his sense of humor, and admired his faith in God. I liked how patriotism was brought back to life while he was in office. And, I also liked that he helped bring values back to the forefront in our culture. I appreciated his focus on the positive things. After two long, tumultuous decades, we needed that.

I greatly admired the loving relationship he and Nancy had. It's amazing that a Hollywood couple remained married that long.

I think it's wonderful that thousands are able to go to D.C. to show their respects to him there. No matter how you feel about his political viewpoints, he was our president for 8 years. Not an easy job for anyone. ;)

Qui-Gon Jinn
06-30-2004, 01:04 AM
OMG! I was so sad when President Ronald Reagan died. I remember way in elementary I was telling the other students how great of a President he was. Most of them didn't believe me. :( The teachers on the other hand, did believe me. :)
;)


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