Witchy 06-14-2004, 08:48 PM Once again a media outlet is giving the ym/ow relationship a sound slap in the face. ET is promo-ing two movies, one starring Nic Kidman and the other Kim Basinger, purporting these movies are about ow/ym. In one, Kidman is in love with a ten year old whom she believes is the re-incarnation of a past love. In the other, a 40 something Basinger is doing it with a 16 year old boy.
Why can't people get it out of their minds that pedophelia, and the ym/ow relationship are not one in the same? Both of these movies are clearly about relationships that are out of bounds of reason. Most ow/ym are not like what is being portrayed.
We need a public group to dispel irrational beliefs!
Witchy 06-14-2004, 09:03 PM just because it's not enough hype for the box office doesn't mean that these relationships should be identified as ym/ow. When in fact, both of what are portrayed are illegal, the ten year old certainly would qualify as a rape, and the 16 year old might in some state.
Maria 06-14-2004, 09:09 PM The secret is into rephrasing the relationship. It's not older woman younger man. It's adult/child. And that is just the basic reason why we have always refused to discuss that kind of couple around Ageless.
We don't want to be mixed up with those couples, they have nothing to do with us and it's simply dangerous for us to be compared to them.
Bella 06-14-2004, 10:03 PM Want a good reincarnation/OWYM book? Read "Walter's Purple Heart" by Catherine Ryan Hyde.
He's a 21 year old pot growing lost soul, who discovers he's reincarnated from a young man killed in WW2. At the urging of his inner spirit, he contacts his now 60 yr old fiancee, who's married to his best friend from then.
Sounds goofy, but it was a heart tugging story.
Witchy 06-15-2004, 05:54 PM That incarnation dude wasn't TEN years old.
Danelectro 06-15-2004, 10:54 PM The fact of the matter is that left to their own devices, the media will always sink to the lowest, most vulgar level that it can get away with. If Justin Timberlake ripping off Janet Jackson's top is old news, then they'll happily promote a love affair revolving around child molestation.
Although I've never seen the show, supposedly there was a situation on the show, Queer as folk that involved an old gay man introducing a fifteen year old into a gay relationship. I have no idea what gay viewers thought of it, and as I said, I never saw the show. I make no judgements regarding a persons gender preferrences, I am simply pointing out another example of an adult/child love affair being portrayed by the media.
The point is that it isn't just OW/YM relationships that suffer such gross lack of taste in the media, but any relationship that is outside of the norm, including a stable loving marriage or relationship between folks of any age. The media doesn't want to portray stable, loving people. They want to portray all women as being closet street-walkers and all men as buffoonish, womanizing lechers who think with their genitals.
In all, I pay little attention to the media, mainly because their perceptions are so skewed as to make them unrepresentative of most people from most walks of life.
As an aside, in another post, I believe in a thread under relationship support, I recall one of us here at ageless finding the Snickers candy commercial offensive. I think the commercial had to do with a YM in his twenties hitting on an OW, probably in her sixties (been a while since I've seen the commercial), and saying that he would never find her attractive, except that he was hungry. Well, although I am almost forty, most people say that I look like I am about twenty three (no, my avatar is not my photograph). Well, I have seen many women in their fifties (my GF) and sixties who I find very attractive, and I am always eating so I am never hungry. And just for the record, I am not a bad looking guy. I am 6'5, and a lean 200 pounds. I say this not to brag (looks are so not important), but to say that a young looking, good looking guy can find an older lady to be quite attractive when he's sober and on a full stomach.
You ladies rock, and some moronic ad executive should keep that in mind before insulting you in a commercial, and before insulting us YM's who love you.
Well, this is a long post. Maria sums thing up eloquently in one sentence. I write novels, sometimes not so eloquently.
Danelectro
Danelectro 06-15-2004, 11:00 PM What do you mean oops, Witchy? Those goofballs did it on purpose. Had it been done in ignorance, it would be forgivable.
Danelectro
Witchy 06-16-2004, 04:26 PM was a take off on a well known BS (Brittney Spears) song. I used her cause she is so PUBLICITY driven and while she is a wonderful performer I don't think she writes a word that comes out of her mouth. And I'm betting, neither does Jann Carl, whom if I'm not mistaken did the story. Oh, and by the way--the Snicker commercial complaint? That was me too. Perhaps I should not take it so hard. After all, I'm no longer dating my ym. But the whole social context of dating someone younger, and peoples' expectations of it, make the relationship even harder. But as my friend Erin would say: "It's all good. What they gave is what they'll get."
Ali
Danelectro 06-16-2004, 05:40 PM Originally posted by Witchy
was a take off on a well known BS (Brittney Spears) song. I used her cause she is so PUBLICITY driven and while she is a wonderful performer I don't think she writes a word that comes out of her mouth. And I'm betting, neither does Jann Carl, whom if I'm not mistaken did the story. Oh, and by the way--the Snicker commercial complaint? That was me too. Perhaps I should not take it so hard. After all, I'm no longer dating my ym. But the whole social context of dating someone younger, and peoples' expectations of it, make the relationship even harder. But as my friend Erin would say: "It's all good. What they gave is what they'll get."
Ali
Sorry to hear that you're not dating your YM, but I don't think you took the Snickers ad too hard; I find it rather insulting too. Makes me feel a little better to know that I'm not the only one.
Danelectro
Witchy 06-16-2004, 08:44 PM I'm not exactly unhappy that I'm not dating my ym anymore. But I know what you mean, some of these so called Hollywierd types can poke fun at a sensitive issue. I lost my ym mainly because he was self-conscious about how much crap people would give him about the age difference. So, I let go. But for every person who did something to make that negative climate out there, I hope they get what they gave.
Danelectro 06-16-2004, 10:25 PM My GF and I have similar issues, although she is the self-conscious one in our relationship. Thankfully, it isn't anything that I see breaking us apart, but I can understand her feelings. I just don't care what other people think of who I am dating. I love her, and that should be goog enough for them. Maybe such critics are just jealous.
Danelectro
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