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New Member YM - 28, OW -48, My story and I Need some advice.

PLOWBOY223
06-16-2004, 10:39 AM
I am a 28 year old male who has been in love with my fantastic OW who is 48 for 3 1/2 years now. I met her while I was DJing at a night club. Women were always easy to find at the club and I consider myself an attractive male and really never had a problem getting looks and flirts from girls my own age, but Ive never really gotten along with them, maybe i wasnt with the right ones but the chemestry was never there.

However, one this woman walked into my life that night and like they say, love will find you when you are not looking for it. A friend of mine was dancing with my OWs friend and he told me that she was by herself and wanted to dance with somebody. I tell ya I have never been so shy and nervous to ask a woman to dance. I finally got the courage and Im glad i did. I absoluley fell in love with this woman on the dance floor. We just fit. She was in the process of divorce at the time, a 25 year marraige ended by her husband cheating on her with a prostitute in another country. What an Idiot, but Im glad he did it cause I wouldnt have this treasure. My OW is about 5'8, thin, perfect figure, and just absolutely radient, classy, elegant woman. Most people who have met us for the first time think she is 38 when I ask them. So she really does not physically show her age at all, which is a good thing. There has always been an attraction that we have shared for each other. The fire and the passion has always burned bright since day one. The relationship went like wildfire the first year. I think sometimes though I may have been a crutch and a rebound for her during the end of her marraige. When the divorce was final we rushed a little too quick in our relationship. We got a nice condo together and I moved SHOES and MORE SHOES of hers into the closet. I have never seen so many SHOES. The first year living together was like newly weds. We were very happy. We went through a Hysterechtemy and the starting of menopause. Menopause is cruel. Guys my own age havent got a clue whats in store for them in the future! It aint easy. The 2nd year living together things started going downhill. Her sex drive plumeted to nothing, I lost my job and was without work for 4 months and wasnt able to take her out much and do a lot of fun things, just sit at home on the couch, and the menapause thing was making her weird. I am the type of person that is a giver, i love to give attention and 110% of myself to someone. When this menopause thing hit, there was mood swings, fights, and for no reason what so ever she wanted to be by herself, and this hurt me cause I wanted to be with her and i felt like i was being pushed away. There were some days we would be enjoying ouselves and she would just start crying for no reason whatsoever. She blames the hormones cause I could never get anything out of her as to what is makin her so upset. I tried to be the psychologist in the relationship which was ok at times, but out of pure innocence it put her down emotionally. She started to feel like she wasnt good enough. What she couldnt see was that I beleived in her. She got sick of my talks and I got tired of initiating sex all the time. She had the worst time getting her motor started herself and initiate something intimate. Like an Old Ford pickup (only the owner knows how to start it) Id have to hold my tongue just right and shed start right up and WATCH OUT!!! but i was really tired of initiating it. Then fights started and they got bad. at the end of the second year she decided that it was not good for us to live together anymore and that we were just killing each other emotionally. That decision of hers about killed me inside and my how that hurt. So we moved into our own Apartments. Now granted people I thought she would MOVE and like Really MOVE. Umm, She moved right down the street from me. I never figured that out. I think she still wanted to be close to me somehow.
Well we both started going on with our lives. I met a younger women closer to my age and took her dancing one night, she failed to tell me she had a jealous ex boyfriend. We happend to run into him at the dance hall and I ended up with a black eye and swollen knuckles. I told myself thats it, I have had enough of these stupid younger women.
In the meantime, my OW found herself an older man. According to her they went to the movies for a date one night, he was a lousy kisser and then she realized that night how much she still loved me. She even told the guy she was with about me and he understood. So they broke everything off.
Well a month passed by, My new job was awesome, bought a brand new truck, and was just doing things for myself for a change. Then I get a phone call one night and its my OW, shes crying on the phone and telling me she misses me so much. I missed her more. So we started seeing each other again, but took it slow. Giving her the space she needed when she needed it. And both of us understanding each others needs. We sat down and made a list for each other on things we like to see from each other. So, she got some medication to help balance her her hormones, she started taking avlmil to help give her a boost (hasnt worked yet - 6 weeks, will let yall know if it does work) but shes trying and that means the world to me. Ive hit the gym to buff up (she loves her so called Stud Puppy), and worked on myself to be more emotionally stable, doing more for myself than for her (its what she wanted). Giving her the space she needs when she needs it with a smile on my face and love in my heart. We have a new respect for each other and the love we have is more than it ever was. We dont see each other on Tuesdays and Thursdays so she can do her girly stuff, but we are together on Mondays, Wednesdays and all weekend. We have had a couple of disagreements these past 8 months but our love is so strong that we get through things like that easily now.
We travel a lot now, we love to go camping, the great outdoors, and have had an absolute blast together. And I think thats the key to this relationship, we hav fun together in everything we do. Now the question of marriage has come up, we both feel that we could do it, however we are both scared to death. She is more concerned about me not having the things in life that i deserve, like kids, and to grow old with somebody. She feels like her life is downhill and scared that somebody I will leave her for a younger woman. I dont feel these feelings at all, but I am scared, i admit it. I do know that me and her have a love that is so special that may never be found again. I cant imagine my life without her and she feels the same about me.

My Family's (Mom) support means a lot to me as well. I have the support of my mom, she stood up for me with the rest of the family when they were snickering, talking behind my back and wondering why i had picked such an older woman. My mom set them in their place saying "He could not have picked a better woman to be with." My mom and the rest of my family get along great with my older woman, which feels great to me.


The question to the world...
Should we marry?

My Question to you people on this board is id like to hear if marraige has worked or not.

Im not only posting this message for myself. but any feedback I will foward to her, she needs just as much comfort, understanding, and help making this decision as I do.

Thanks.

Maria
06-16-2004, 10:50 AM
First of all: Welcome to our boards!

Your story is just so beautiful, so full of good lessons, so full of hope for those couples who have to go through adaptations, difficult moments, then reconciliation... it's really inspiring, thank you for sharing.

Now, to go directly to your question, you are both back to each other, living a new phase, redefining your relationship, why the need to rush and get married? The more pressure you put on yourselves, the least you'll enjoy this new phase.

There's no need to hurry. You love her, she loves you, the fact that you are together again, and happy again, is the biggest proof. No need to go to the next step yet. Enjoy this moment, live each day and the moment will announce itself, I am sure.

One day you'll just feel, well, we are practically married, so why not do it? Because you both seem to want this, let it come naturally. :)

Cinderella
06-16-2004, 10:55 AM
Hi--Welcome to Ageless.

Yes, it can work.

There are many long term relationships on here.

I am new here also, but my husband and I married on October 4, 2003. We will have been together 4 years in August.

I am 12 years older then him. We also have family support and are very happy. I don't think that age dictates whether a marriage will work, it is the people and the love and committment. I was married to someone 5 years older and we didn't work out.

So, I say that yes it can work and work well. Marriage takes a lot of love and nurturing to keep things good. Seems like you are very happy to do what you need to do to keep things working so I would say that if the age gap is your only roadblock that you should not let that stop you.

Hope all works out the way you want it to.

whisper
06-16-2004, 11:27 AM
I'm 51, and my husband (love of my life) is 24 (25 next month). We've been together for almost 4 years and next Oct. we will have been married for 3 years. We get along super well and are both exceptionally happy since we've been together. So, in answer to your question, yes...it can work out. Good luck and welcome to the boards:)

bubbleee
06-16-2004, 12:54 PM
Welcome Plowboy

You will find LOTS of people here with significant age gaps that are married and it is working beautifully.

If you can't imagine your lives without one another I'd say that's a pretty good start to a life long relationship.

There are many success stories here. Your story is beautiful and certainly shows that if something is yours and you set it free, it will come back to you.

Sounds like you two are really good together. Focus on the strenghts in your relationship and make them stronger. As my friend Maria said, the rest will follow.

southerngal
06-16-2004, 05:13 PM
Hey Plowboy,
Welcome to ageless from another Texan!! Just curious, but your name wouldnt be college related would it?

Anyway, I cant tell you whether you SHOULD get married or not, but like all the others have said, if you do, it CAN work. By the way, I loved your story - its a true romance;) And you really, really sound like you love her...alot!! Thanks for sharing your story of ageless love with us. You should invite your ow here too, just so she can see for herself that you two arent alone in this.

So hang in there guy - we're all in your corner:)

Southerngal

PS - There's even a thread somewhere on here about menopause :p (bless your heart!!)

littlewing
06-16-2004, 07:06 PM
Hi There,
I too am going through the beginning stages of menopause and my poor husband, age 24, is getting a crash course as well.
It ain't easy but since taking hormones life is almost back to whatever normal is. Maybe your lady should look into speaking to her doctor about what is right for her. Maybe you should just look at it as something natural that woman and the men in their lives go through at some point and read up on it and do your best to try and help out.
True, if you were with someone your own age menopause wouldn't be an issue yet but, trust me, there will always be something we as human beings will have to deal with.
You seem very sincere in trying to work with her through this and that should mean a lot to her.
My question to you is this... You stated that she looked much younger than her age and what a good thing that was/is. How will you feel about her when maybe she does look her age? Or are you speaking of her inner beauty making her look so young and beautiful.
This is something I, as an older woman, struggle with quite often and I am so glad my husband will always see me as beautiful and youthful (if not childish :) and BTW I am considered to look about 29-30 but am in fact 44. I sometimes think that it is a burden to look young because it comes with a price, kinda like being rich...you always wonder what attracts people to you and how would you deal if it went away.
As I write this Oprah is on TV speaking with Christy Brinkley and Cheryl Tiegs about their secrets on aging, hmmm. Can we say a great plastic surgeon would be on the top of their list which is fine, great even, just wish that it wasn't an issue in our society at all.
Can you tell that this is something that I probably think about way too much and also why I picked that particular sentence out of your otherwise beautiful post.
Littlewing

whiterose
06-16-2004, 07:30 PM
Congratulations on working things out with the woman you love. You have already demonstrated that you have the ability to overcome an obstacle.

It is very possible to have a successful age gap marriage. I myself am now engaged to marry a man 18 years younger than myself, so I am about to find out for sure. He and I have spent long hours talking about all those "what if's". He feels confident that he is prepared. And, I am feeling somewhat more confident that he truly is prepared. :D And, we have both decided that we will try our best to stop worrying about the "what if's" and will live our lives together to the fullest while we can.

However, in your case, I do wonder, though, if you have completely thought about all the "what if's". I think it would be a good idea for you to take a little more time to think it through. If the menopause was so troublesome for you to deal with, are you fully prepared to care for her if she were to become seriously ill or if her sex drive takes a nose dive again?

As for her concerns, maybe you should encourage her to come visit this site. The people here at ageless have definitely helped me work out many of my concerns about my own age gap relationship.

CandyO'Reilly
06-16-2004, 07:35 PM
while married but more of it. If it is bad, and rocky times are 50% of the time while dating, expect to have them 80% while married. People get comfortable and are what they are. Candy

socalhotrodder
06-17-2004, 10:08 AM
Wow, awesome story man, thanks for sharing... I'm 28 also and I know the pains of it all... Don't know that I have any great advice - but I know exactly where you are coming from. I know that I would not hesitate to marry an OW - that's just the way I am - I cannot get the mental and emotional fulfilment I need out of girl my age - I'm just on a different maturity level than the younger girls. I was just recently able to have a deep conversation with my own mother and I finally got her to fully understand "why I do these things", LOL. She doesn't have a problem with it, but she just thought it was a fettish or a phase or something - she doesn't anymore. And now she is finally ok with the idea that the only daughter-in-law she's ever going to get out of me is likely to be her age, and she is not looking at ever getting any grand-kids from me. That's just the way it is, the way my mind works, and what makes me happy.
So I would say, if it makes you happy, and it makes your OW happy, by all means do it - that's what it's all about. It sounds like you guys have been through the ups and the downs and you have still found your way back to each other - if it was me I'd see that as a sign in my own life that there was a pretty good chance that it was meant to be.
Keep us posted...
~schr~

BearsAngel
06-17-2004, 11:52 AM
Welcome to Ageless!

If you are in love and want to make a committment to one another, of course you should marry. I am 56 and Dave, my husband of nearly two years is 30. We have been together for five years and they have been the happiest years of our lives. We plan to be together forever.

Maybe you could convince her to come here and read the posts, Dave and I would be glad to talk to her as would all the other folks. You have to allow yourself to let go of the worries about age and let yourself be happy. Our relationships don't have any specific agegap problems, just the ones that any other couple has. Life is sweet -- if you let it be...

Peace,
Jane

PLOWBOY223
06-17-2004, 12:20 PM
I want to thank all of you for your responses. They are fantastic and make me feel more confident in the path of life I am taking.
I have forwarded all of them to my OW. She likes the replies also. Its just making our love more deeper and stronger.

Note:
I took my OW out to dinner last night and suprised her with Tickets to the Fleetwood Mac concert tonight. Shes so excited!!! It kinda fits the age gap relationship huh? I was rockin in the cradle in my diapers when they were really hot back in the day. :) Hey, At least i know who they are!!!

I am going to write back to each of you in this post.


Maria Lux - I loved your reply. It really hit home. That is really and truly what I needed to hear. Your right, I should stop worrying about it and just be happy and let things happen for themselves. My OW and I talked about that last night and we both agree that we are most likely going to be together for a LONG LONG Time. She said. "I will marry you Someday".

We have been through a lot together, good and bad, but its done nothing but make our relationship more stronger and loving.

Step by step. We have to be able to live together first and make sure that we can be happy all the time, and that is the first step I think towards a life together.

Cinderella - Congradulations on your marriage. A 12 year age gap I dont think is going to be an issue for y'all, enjoy what you have and the time you get to share together. How I wish, my OW and i were 12 years apart.

Bubblee - Focusing on the strengths that there is a 55 gallon drum of Love in my heart that I am pouring all over my OW. And the bond that me an her have, we have told each other many times, we think we are soul mates.

Southerngal - HOWDY!! I know what your refering my name to as far as the college thing goes! ha ha! but Thats not where i got it. Mowed lots of yards in this hot weather from the time i was 11 years old until 17 and bought my first truck with 10,000$ i made from mowing lawns. (THATS A LOT OF LAWNS). Like plowin a field, I was plowin up grass. My close friends call me "PLOW".

littlewing - great question. You got me thinking. I can think of several reasons why i said that. First of all as an example, My OW has told me many times "If we are somewhere and somebody calls me your mother, im gonna die" Well that hasnt happend yet. I dont think it will cause its really hard to tell she is the age she is. As for the inside she has a young heart, but I think I bring that out in her. Where I make her feel younger, she makes me feel more like a mature man, and somewhere in the middle we just meet and its beautifull. To me she is a complete woman, shes got it all, class, sophistication, style, and I love the security I feel with her. Another reason is that I think shes gorgeous, and as we grow older together I think that same attraction and fire for each other will always be there. And you said the same thing about being youth as my OW does when I tell her she is beautifull. "ITS HARD WORK lookin this GOOD" she says. She loves these make over shows they have on TV like the swan, she doesnt need it, but she wants to do it. Yes its expensive, but I feel like this. Hey we arent going to have the hefty price tag of kids, instead use that money to keep her looking the way she wants to. She already has the breast implants which she loves and so do I. ha ha ha!!!
When I used to DJ at the night club she would come up there and see me on the weekends, it was a nice club and when she would walk in the door, all got quiet, all the guys were just staring. It never ever made me feel jealous or insecure, it made me feel like I am the luckiest man on the face of this earth.
My advice to you and any other OW on here, if your guy says your beautifull, inside and outside. HE MEANS IT!! with all sincerity. I hate when my OW doesnt take me seriously when I say that to her. Ladies? just because you may not feel beautifull at times, in the morning with your hair all a mess, no make up on..etc. is when you (to guys like us, YM) look the most beautifull. Take it to heart and feel it!

Whiterose - Oh yes, the "What ifs" my OW is sick of my "What ifs" ha ha!!! No More "What ifs" MariaLux is right, just let it happen. Menapause, troublesome for me?? yes at times, but I dealt with it and I still am. And let me say that for a Man to try and find help on websites to help his OW out through these times and what he can do to help is Horrific!!! we have to go deep into the nooks and crannies of the internet for answers.
Well if they ever can make a Womans VIAGRA, I am in a whole lotta trouble when that happens. Its sure to be just around the corner. The great thing about the relationship I have is that we work together to help each other solve issues. We both know that there are going to be more bumps down the road, but we have something so dear that I think we can get through anything. If her hair fell out and she lost all her teeth id still love the heck outta her.
As for the seriously ill part... Id give my life for this woman in a heart beat!

Socialhottrodder - Yea support of parents is important and like me im glad you got that. You didnt mention if you had an OW yet, if not there are some incredible ones out there, just look at these boards.


Thanks again yall!!!
-PLOW

suicideblonde
06-17-2004, 05:01 PM
What wonderful replies to everyone, Plowboy.... I especially liked the one to littlewing where you wrote: "As for the inside she has a young heart, but I think I bring that out in her. Where I make her feel younger, she makes me feel more like a mature man, and somewhere in the middle we just meet and its beautifull. To me she is a complete woman, shes got it all, class, sophistication, style, and I love the security I feel with her. Another reason is that I think shes gorgeous, and as we grow older together I think that same attraction and fire for each other will always be there." That "somewhere in the middle" is how many of us feel I I think; you just happened to write it so beautifully! and I hope that the fire for each other will always be there as well. Your SO is ONE LUCKY WOMAN!

silverlasha
06-17-2004, 05:43 PM
Hi Plowboy: I got in a bit late on this one. I do believe you have been given good advice. But getting the right info about menopause and her libido is important. Yes, you can scour the internet and I am sure find a lot of information. But any woman who has gone thru menopause will tell you that it gets worse before it gets better and everyone is different. What is important is to find a really good gynecologist. You say she has already had the Hysterectomy and no doubt that is what threw her into menopause. But a really good gynecologist will diagnose what kind of hormones she needs and how much. Or if something else would be better for her, herbs or natural substances. The gyn can also address the libido problem.
I do believe that your love sounds wonderful and that marriage will work out for you. I have a friend who is 20 years older than her husband and they have been happily married for 6 years. It took 3 years to get immigration to let him come to the US so they could get married and he could work here. My son is married to a woman 8 years older and their relationship is very exclusive even after 11 years of marriage.
But , if you are putting marriage off, don't forget to keep asking.
If you become engaged, then be sure to set a wedding date! Why? because she probably won't ask you when it is time for her. And unless you do go on asking, She might think you aren't interested in marriage anymore.

Good Luck to you and much happiness

littlewing
06-17-2004, 06:46 PM
Plowboy,
Good answer, you sound a lot like my husband. We also met when he was working in a nightclub and I had just moved to town. I would go in by byself once or twice a month to listen to music and people watch. He asked somebody who I was and they said "don't even bother, she is way out of your league and doesn't seem to talk to anyone" Geeze, maybe I didn't talk to anyone because I didn't know anyone lol. Anyway, he did come over, and I kinda blew him off because I am not very good at being "picked up", of course he thought his friends were right at that point lol. He persisted though and I am so glad he did as we have been together for 3 years and married a little over one year.
I wish you all the best.
As for the plastic surgery, I say go for it as long as it doesn't become an obsessive thing and to try to prevent a very natural and beautiful process called life...we are the age we are and hopefully there is some merit to that.
I know what you mean when you said to cinderella ( I think ) that you wish your relationship only had an age difference of 12 years. At one time I would have thought a 5 year difference would not be something I would do and here I married into a 20 year difference. Oh well, I wouldn't change it for the world, unless anyone has a clue as to where I can find a magic lamp :)
Littlewing

bubbleee
06-18-2004, 08:28 AM
Well if they ever can make a Womans VIAGRA, I am in a whole lotta trouble when that happens. Its sure to be just around the corner

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?storyID=530501


Well Plow it IS coming soon! P&G Pharmaceuticals is coming out with a patch in the not too distant future. You might want to buy some P&G stock soon, lol.

Danelectro
06-18-2004, 11:06 AM
Welcome aboard, Plowboy!

I can relate to alot of what you are dealing with, as I am a YM seeing an OW who is eighteen years older than myself. My GF has alot of the what if's on her mind, and the what if's will kill a relationship before it can blossom if you dwell on them.

Whiterose is absolutely correct, you should think through your what if's, because thats only responsible. But don't make the what if into more than what it is: speculation.

You said that she would just die if someone were to think her your mother. Well, let me tell you, if you are together long enough, it's gonna happen. My GF does not look at all her age, and we've already run into that; I don't look my age (37) either, so that doesn't help.

As to the marriage thing, I can think of alot of reasons why you should, but don't rush it. You mentioned alot about sexual issues, so I will address both marriage and sex. My GF and I are saving marital benefits for marriage. I make no judgements on those who don"t, it's just the rout we've chosen to take for some very practical reasons, and here they are:

1. We don't believe in it sex before marriage. No judgements on those who do, but we don't. She is very religious, and for myself, sex before marriage got me roped into my now defunct thirteen year marriage (glad that's over). Yes, I have two great sons whom I love dearly out of the deal, and I have full custody of them, but I still wish that I had never slept with that woman.

2. I want to have a fantastic, sexless relationship before marriage so that if a time comes that sex is infrequent or absent, I will be able to enjoy the relationship and still be a faithful and loving husband. I have thought through alot of what if's, and that is one that I thought about long and hard. Hope it's a what if that never comes to pass, but I am prepared nonetheless.

3. I want her to have no question as to weather or not it is her that I love, or as to weather or not I am just 'using her for sex'. I have found for myself that saving sex uncomplicates alot of things and allows better judgement when dealing with premarital issues.

4. Lastly, I can, when the time comes, look her parents in the eye and say that I have kept their daughter pure in our relationship.

I think that you are on the right track with your lady. You seem to want to adapt to her changes and are looking to assist her and be there for her as they come. Your relationship has weathered some rocky times, and I would gather is probably stronger now because of it. She seems like a wonderful person, and you seem to want to treat her well. If she is wanting to marry, and if you are of the same mind, I'd say, go for it!
:D

BTW, I too cut grass to buy my first set of wheels! Mine was a
Z/28. Used the change to buy a Betamax (1500.00 back in the day:eek: ), so I gotta respect you on that count alone.

As I said, welcome aboard, and my appologies for my lengthy pontification. I wish the best to you both, and it seems that you have already gotten off to a great start:cool:

Danelectro


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