Y/M.. first-timer..

Hi. I'm not sure if this is the correct forum section for this post, but here goes anyway.

Here's my situation.. I'm 21 in May. I've never been kissed.. so to speak.. mostly by choice. I was home schooled; didn't have too many desirable/compatible girls living in the area growing up and decided to play it safe until I had some financial backing. This was about a year ago.

I'm considered attractive and I'm pretty smart, and have aspirations although my future is very unclear. No immediate plans to go to college, largely due to the funding required and my own indecisiveness.

Enough about me, though.. my dilemma is that I'm very attracted to a woman in my bowling league that is, give or take, 12 years older than I am. Now, being incredibly inexperienced.. I'm struggling with the decision of whether I should pursue such a relationship or just remain infatuated.

I met her in late September and almost immediately became enamored with her. We're not really close friends by any means, only acquaintances.. although I'm fairly sure that she's single and heterosexual. I'm also pretty sure that she lives in a house and owns a car.. while I haven't yet invested in a car (despite having the funds) and barely have a room nevermind a house. :)

Is it really a good idea for me to approach her within the next 6 months with my complete lack of experience? Is it a good idea to begin my sexual life with somebody that may already have an intimate knowledge of how relationships work? I've gotten mixed reports from friends that I've asked.

Obviously such relationships exist, but it feels so odd. How can I approach her in the atmosphere of a bowling alley and ask such a question? Will it drastically change her view of me, possibly bother her enough to quit? There is a banquet for this league at the end (probably June) and I'll be 21.. should I give it more time and wait until we're both legal?

Heh, I know I've asked a lot of questions here.. but I'd appreciate it if anybody can give me their thoughts on any one of these queries.

BTW, she hasn't expressed any interest in me.. yet.

My best advice to you is to just start talking to her... become her friend. I'm sure you've had to have had at least ONE female friend in your 20 years on planet earth. Just because you like them doesn't really change anything. LOL.

At present, it seems you're infatuated with how she looks.. carries herself, etc. But, not with WHO she is. So, talk to her. Read the cues she sends you. If she is interested, you WILL know.

I would not suggest jumping in and saying "hey baby, let's go out sometime" or anything like that if you seriously desire to not alienate her.

BTW: I am 33 and living with my fantastic 19 year old YM, Litical. He was also home schooled. :D

When you find a good woman, the right woman, age and experience will not matter.

But, since this most likely isn't a situation where you're just hoping to get some hot chick in bed with you, don't worry about the age or experience issues.

Just approach her, be friendly, be YOURSELF. If she's meant to be with you, she will read your cues and you will read hers and things will progress...

Good luck and welcome to ageless!
~phosphorescent

Hehe, becoming her friend is what I'd like to do.. it's just that I don't feel.. able to find common ground in the environment I know her from. Where do I start, is what I ask myself. There's no break in the action when we're playing the game, frankly. It'd be odd IMO if after my turn and before hers I walked over and tried to converse. Everybody chats with their own team/friends, mostly. It's tough.

Although we've chatted very briefly, I know some of her traits pretty well. It's not solely a physical infatuation as much as a complete package. I think there's something "there" because after about 20 minutes of hanging around with her I felt comfortable.

Of course, she's playing a game. This could be her one big escape from work every week.. or maybe not. I don't know, and over-analyzing it is going to kill me in the end. :)

To be honest, I actually did go out on a date this summer but it was very awkward. It kind of left a bad taste in my mouth, because the girl (19) had already been "around the block" and didn't know what she wanted. While she wasn't really compatible with me.. the problem was that she'd been burned too many times and had to go back to school far away rather soon. In the case of my O/W, she's a stone's throw away living in the same town.

Thanks for your insightful post, Fos4snt.

You're clearly extremely bright. That's attractive to me, and any woman who is worth pursuing. I think if you try to be friendly and she is interested, you'll know soon enough. I don't think you should wait until next June. Life is short! Make having a conversation with her a goal...then go for it! Pining away silently is only okay if you never want to really live.

Originally posted by katmeup7 Pining away silently is only okay if you never want to really live.

katmeup7~

I love what you said here.... I want an embroidered sampler of this to hang on my wall! Awesome piece of advice!:)

why, thank you!

Maybe I'm a Confucious descendant and don't know it!

Well spoken, Kat. I just don't feel confident, seeing as how it'd be my first relationship while she's an established woman and I have very little to offer.

It'd be so much easier if I worked with her, or lived next door. As it stands, I guess all I can do is go.. bowl.. and take whatever opportunities I can to communicate. What if she doesn't even like younger men? I'll never know if I don't inquire.. subtlely or not! :)

Kimmy: Also good points. A good friend of mine told me that confidence is very important when approaching somebody.. and boy was he right.

Haha, that is true.. I am thinking about it too much. Well, I guess I just have to let my fear of rejection/awkwardness go and try to act normal, huh?

My potential O/W seems to be pretty low-maintenance anyway (like myself) so maybe I shouldn't put her on such a pedestal and rather think of her as an equal. An equal that's 13 years older and 13 years wiser. :)

Thanks for your insight, Kimmy.

Originally posted by Blade
An equal that's 13 years older and 13 years wiser. :)

LOL, now you've got the idea...that's how it works at my house!

Nah, j/k...my man is every bit as wise as I, and sometimes more so, in areas he knows about. Give yourself credit if and where it's due.

Good luck! (And you know, at least you have -bowling- in common, and you're in the same league, so that right there could give you *something* to start with. A lot of people don't even have that. Use your resources.)

LOL! Your position is not so rare, my friend!

I may send my 13-years-younger bf here to give you some pointers! He had to approach me knowing that he had my 40yr old, bad-*ss, former Marine bf to deal with on top of the age thing! (We got together after he was gone, but it didn't stop Jeremy from pursuing me earlier.)

As far as what you have to offer, you may just have to wing it and pretend to be more experienced than you really are at first. That's what Jeremy did in a few situations - quite well, I might add! LOL

Otherwise, just offer her what you can - some fun,freedom and to feel desireable again to a handsome young man!

Thanks for the advice, Kristin! :)

I have some thinking to do before I make any moves.

I really don't want to wait a long time to find out that my O/W is already in a relationship or that the interest isn't mutual. It's killing me already, because the attraction stays with me and I have no idea what to do about it. I need companionship in my life and she is my very first choice right now.

Would it be fruitful to send her a Christmas present (i.e. chocolates) with a short note "from her secret admirer?" It'd be a nice gesture, I know.. but it's kind of stalking.. no?

I think that's a little much coming from someone you barely know.

I was going to mention earlier that you could have the bar send her over a drink next time you're bowling. Just ask the server to charge you for her next drink (whatever it is - alcohol or not) and ask the server to tell her that it's on you "for that beautiful woman". When she gets it and looks over to see who it was that sent it, just raise your glass in a toast to her. That will make your intentions obvious! :)

At that point, she may come over to thank you and you can start a conversation..."I noticed you a long time ago and just wanted to get to know you better".

If she doesn't come over (I probably would be too shy myself) you can go over a little while later and ask her if she needs another drink. Then you can say the same thing as above. You'll be able to read from her body language if she's interested or not.

But, remember, a lot of us OW don't think the YM is serious. Or we think we don't want it to go too far because you'd freak out at our older body and wrinkles, etc. Jeremy had to be very persistant to convince me to go out with him.

And I had to come here and read a lot of the posts before I felt confident enough in myself to accept. (Read the "Old body" thread at the top of the Sexually Speaking section and you'll see what I mean.)

Also, she may not be interested in starting a relationship with someone that has different goals. If she already has kids and doesn't want more and you will want kids eventually, she may not even want to start a relationship with you. Something to think about.

So, if she jumps on the age thing, you'll have to convince her. But, if she indicates that she's just not attracted to you, or the kid thing is a problem, best to not push it.

Good luck! :)

Aye. Thanks for your opinion on that, Kristin.

The idea just occurred to me today so I figured I'd run that by you guys, but frankly it would be a little much from a stranger. If one is to be anonymous, maybe just a friendly/funny note would work. No real commitment there, but it's got to be incredibly well-written and well-placed because as we all know.. there are a lot of sickos out there. :)

Meh, I think I'll just have to go down next Thursday and think about things as they happen. The anticipation to see her has grown weekly since day one, which makes it so darned hard. Heh.. I'm completely enamored. *sigh*

I'm sure she'd be amazed if she knew someone was so enthralled with her based on her appearance and aura alone.

I have to tell you however, that guys I've encountered in my life who have drooled all over me have historically turned me off. I prefer someone I know is going to give me a run for my money.

I'm worried you're getting your hopes up too high and might get them squashed in an instant. You've gotten some good suggestions for an approach. (The drink idea was great.) If I were you I think I might just go up to her and have a conversation. That's the easiest, most revealing and quickest way to know if she's even interested in you. If nothing else, she'll at least know you're interested in her. Right now, she doesn't have a clue. If you chat her up, the next time you see her and try the same thing, she'll either be receptive or not, and there's your answer.

Originally posted by Blade
Aye. Thanks for your opinion on that, Kristin.

The idea just occurred to me today so I figured I'd run that by you guys, but frankly it would be a little much from a stranger. If one is to be anonymous, maybe just a friendly/funny note would work. No real commitment there, but it's got to be incredibly well-written and well-placed because as we all know.. there are a lot of sickos out there. :)

Meh, I think I'll just have to go down next Thursday and think about things as they happen. The anticipation to see her has grown weekly since day one, which makes it so darned hard. Heh.. I'm completely enamored. *sigh* Hi there Blade,
Since your only at the bowling alley with her, Kristins suggestion could work, but for me it wouldnt. Too many guys have come onto me that way and then think you "owe them" if you accepted something from them, so that approach makes me suspicious LOL ..... but thats just my experience. Another option might just be to wait till you see her go to the refreshment stand or something , make your way over there by her and just say " Hi" and start talking. Thinking up some things you can say ahead of time might be helpful.
In my opinion, just take every opportunity you can to build on your communication with her. I think you will know shortly if she feels your bothering her, or she enjoys you talking to her. .
;) katmeup put it pretty much like I would and Im with her on someone drooling all over me, because they look too desperate, but a smile and someone who is interested and offers friendly conversation is more like a person I would prefer to get to know better.

and then just make small talk and be friends and THEN after a few of those outings you can test the waters ... slow and steady wins the race ........

Goingon40: Definitely. I'll be seeing this woman every week until at least June, so I have plenty of time to get to know her better.

Even though I would be pretty flattered if I was 33 and a girl with "my" looks (I.. try to be humble but it's hard :)) at 20 years old liked me.. not everybody is the same. I'll take it slow and try not to think about my interest in my O/W until the time comes to take action.

Thursday night came and went.

I got to make a little chit-chat and some eye contact with her. As a realist, I know that it would be difficult for this to work.. but I think it's plausible. I'm going to take it ever so slowly, though. I need to think up how to approach her and what to say, and man that's going to be tough. Heh.

Back in the dark ages when I was on a Singles Bowling league, we would get to the lanes early and meet in the lounge and talk. Then some of us would meet afterwards in the lounge again or go to Fridays to eat.

All you have to say is "How did your game go?" OH...really? Have you been in leagues a long time? OH really? Hey, I would like to talk with your some more? How about meeting for a quick drink after the games?... OK! See you then! Happy strikes!"

And that does it...

Yellowrose: That could work.. maybe. Usually the O/W and her friends go out together after the games, possibly to a bar. 21+? Dunno. I'll be 21 in about 5 months.

Anywho, Thursday came and went again. I couldn't say much to the O/W, but I let my teammates know how I felt (seeing as they know her better than me, having been in the league for 3 years) and we all discovered that she is single but is probably dating. One friend of mine, John, a 42-year-old told me that I should be more confident despite the fact that she's 33. No kidding, John.. but easier said than done. :)

I'm sticking by my philosophy of signals. When we departed and said our Happy New Years to everybody, I said it and then I made friendly direct eye contact with her only. What message does that send?

I'll take every chance to talk to her, but when I can't those are the things that I try to do. Send messages.. signals.. that I like her.

Well to be honest with you, I would not be able to interpret direct eye contact and occasional, simple chatting with a bowling team member as interest. It would take a tiny bit more than that to tip me off. If you have told your other team mates tho, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and make an assumption that one of them has spread the word so to speak. I would be shocked if someone had not told her.

I am 36 and my fiance is 19. It is definately possible for these relationships to work. Suck it up man and ask for coffee or something. If you are waiting for her to pursue you... then I'll wager you have an eternity to wait. If you are a ym, then it benefits you to be able to demonstrate your maturity and interest by being the pursuer.

You seem to be brimming with confidence in text here... wondering what it is that you are so afraid of in real life...?

Rejection? Embarrassment? I just have trouble approaching people; starting conversations. Especially when I'm attracted to them, as is the situation today.

Oh, ask me a question and we'll have a conversation going. I'll talk with you all night about a given subject. I've just never been good about approaching people.. even saying "hello" first. I'm getting better, but it's a strange and persistent disorder.

A friend of mine with the same issue calls it a low-level form of autism.

It's really wild because I'm considering a career in voice talent. A guy with a voice for radio and he can't even greet people properly. Eh, I'll get over it.

BTW, getting the word out was partially my intention.. you're definitely right about that. I was actually pondering asking her friends which would have probably put the 8-ball right in the pocket as it were.. but given the situation I felt it was prime-time to play ask/tell with my teammates about the woman.

I think the word is that she's dating a guy and her sister likes how he treats her. Dating is fickle though, and nothing is set in stone. Next time around I'll try to find out more.. and maybe send some more obvious signals to the O/W. It's really tough though, because there's literally no downtime between strings and she's often entrenched in conversation with others.

My best bet is if she comes in early. That way, I can actually talk to her without interrupting anybody else.

Okay as long as you realize how highschool this is...

I doubt very much that I would be impressed by a much younger man that needed a friend to let me know that someone likes me... not likes me, but likes me likes me...

Heh, it's definitely juvenile.

It's not the most juvenile thing I can think of, ironically. A 36-year-old male friend of mine suggested.. I think it was something like a love note..?

Whatever it was, we all had a laugh after he said it a few weeks ago.

All in all, I think that I just need to take action. Why I can't stop beating around the bush and get there.. I don't know. Maybe I simply haven't crossed that psychological hurdle of the age gap.

I still think it's unrealistic, although I know that not to be true.

Originally posted by Blade
I still think it's unrealistic, although I know that not to be true.

Maybe it is unrealistic for you? This isn't for everyone.

You will know straight up if she wants to be friends or not. You don't have anything to lose by being casual and asking her out to Starbucks for Coffee or something.....

Marcy: That might just be it. Maybe it's unrealistic for me specifically.

At the same time though, I almost can't see it any other way.

Thanks for your comments, ladies.

Actually I wouldn't jump to an automatic conclusion that its juvenile as much as I would be flattered and understanding of the position you're coming from...especially if you're shy and don't have the social skills that require you to put yourself out there, knowing that this woman IS older and has a b/f.

Its certainly an ice breaker for her to spread the word back where she stands or if she's the confident ow we claim to be to come up to you directly and let you know where she stands. After all she can't be that dense as to not know that you're young and proably not as experience as she is. You do what you have to do, everyone has given you great advice, just keep taking it slow and eventually you will find exactly where you might stand. Good luck.

Paris

Aye, thanks for the vote of confidence.

Like I say, I have a long time to break the ice within the confines of bowling night and she's been committed to showing up for her team every single week (only about 10 of the 36 people in our league can claim that) so I can expect to see her weekly plus the banquet.

The last banquet I went to, this fall, was a pretty liberated situation. I could see the one for this league as a make-or-break if I don't make a move during the league season. A lot of people brought their spouses/lovers to the last one. If she does that, it'd give me an idea of who she's looking for.

That's getting a little ahead of myself, though. Heh. Banquet's probably early June.

Hi Blade.

Welcome to Ageless!

I'm sorry for the turmoil you are in about your new romantic interest. It is obvious that you are very shy and don't have much experience in dating. Almost everybody goes through this painful phase, so don't feel that you are an oddie. It is so hard to express your intentions to someone whom you rarely see and then only in a crowded, public environment.

I agree that you shouldn't approach her friends about her. Your next contact should be direct. Why don't you wait until she makes a great bowling move and then buy her a soda pop or something and just give it to her and congratulate her on her strike or whatever it is called? If you have observed her for a while, then you should know what she usually drinks. Just make it short and sweet. That will break the ice. I am sure that she will become aware of your interest and should be flattered that you noticed what she drinks.

Good luck!

This thread.. revisited!

I've been sending subtle signals.. way too subtle. I knew this, but could do nothing. I still felt that there was no opportunity to say anything, as stated earlier in the thread.

So, the second half of bowling season began yesterday and we faced her team. This was fantastic because we could sit next to each other and chat, discuss things.. and thus we did. Surprisingly, she asked me questions. Nothing serious, just chit-chat.. how many years have you been in the league.. etc etc. It's both our first year.

Anywho.. I'm on my way home afterwards. I had overheard that some of the league was going to a local bar after bowling. So, I figured.. what the hell? I go there and meet up with my good friends who I let know about my "infatuation" weeks earlier. Soon after.. the rest of the group shows up. She.. is with them.

Eventually, we're all sitting at the bar and even more information is divulged.

Through all of this, neither I or the OW make any progress in the direction of dating. That's fine, I just went to hang with the adults for once. I'm an adult, this is my crowd. :) Y'know? I hang out with my 16-year-old (mature, but he's still a kid at heart) brother a bit too much, and the bar was a change of pace.

Ultimately, the point of this post was to say that I e-mailed her yesterday and let her know how I felt. I told her that I loved being around her, that her personality was appealing. I also said that I know we have an age gap and I'd be content being just an acquaintance but I needed to know if there was room for more.

Overall, I'm very interested in the outcome. Whether she talks to me at the bowling alley or via e-mail, it'll be a huge step for me.

Good for you! I hope it all works out for you! :)

I agree, good form and good steps on sending her your feelings. I hope you included "why" you couldn't tell her this in person. But good luck!

Aye, I told her that I never felt it the time nor the place.

Basically I tried to keep it as open and innocent as possible. (as opposed to creepy)

I made it as clear as I can.. that if she doesn't like the idea then there doesn't need to be any animosity of any sort when we hang out, bowl, or do whatever. It was a worry from the start of the whole infatuation that I might alienate her from myself if I were to express sexual thoughts to her.. and this e-mail really doesn't do that.

I tried to keep it from being superfluous by avoiding her looks in my statements. Avoiding anything overly superficial, because I'm obviously physically attracted to her. It's a given, especially with a younger guy. Not to stereotype the YM as a sex-driven lunatic, but c'mon guys.. :)

Hey Buddy, just to give you a heads-up. In case she doesn't reply or does, and if the answer is cynical, it's most likely that she might use the "I'm dating someone" excuse. Some excuses like that can become elusive. But since you never mention the status on her still dating this man from the previous time, it's most likely that she could still be dating this man. I guess that is why she never asked you any personal question concerning outside the bowling league borders when you were chit-chatting with her. Just a thought. I had my experience. But I am wishing you luck and hope she can consider your feelings upright and not as a fluke. You seem bright for a young age too. And I have only met you today. Hah!

I never got bold enough to ask her if she was dating anybody because that falls into the realm of asking her out; neither the time nor the place. ;)

However, my friend told me the first time that he overheard something about a boyfriend. Then, at the bar (just after she arrived but hadn't walked over) I guess he felt reminded of my plight and told me that he's pretty sure if not positive that she's seeing someone.

Like I say though, that's great.. but it's not like they're married. Y'know? I'm not intruding on a marriage by sending an e-mail like that.

In fact, the second last line in the e-mail states that "I don't know if you're dating, or found somebody.. but otherwise yadda yadda yadda" and I signify the age gap in the next sentence before she can. I'm a realist, as I say, and this pegs me as one in her eyes.

BTW, thanks for the kind words and tips Messenger Boy. Good luck in your own relationships.

Originally posted by Blade


BTW, thanks for the kind words and tips Messenger Boy. Good luck in your own relationships.

My relationship, LMAO,oh, you read it?(chuckling) hum...it's nothing to give luck about. If it ever turns into one, it shall be a mess. :p. But anyways, let's focus on you. Has she replied. Have you seen her yet? Reason why I submitted the "dating" myth, was because you have said that you heard nearby that she was seing someone. But let's hope that the guy on the other side is a total mess up. lol. But here I am holding up a cup of whiskey and saying, "cheers" to you.

go for it. when i was 21 i dated a 31 year old. heh. it didnt last but it happened :P

Nah, if she gets back to me via e-mail I don't expect it until Tuesday.

In person, definitely Thursday. That's our league night.

I've been feeling more and more nervous about it as the days pass. It's a great letter.. and I had to do it.. but boy is it intimidating to think about.

oh no til thurs! u have to wait! oh i cant wait for it to be over for you! good luck! let us know how it turned out!

Don't jinx me, Franeh! I want her to e-mail me back! :)

Hey!

I run a billiard league and there are more relationships made! I met my YM (13 years younger). He joined on a new team and we clicked immediately. Do it or get over it - if you are going to stay in the league and she is to someone is or has already seen your feeling for her. Don't be the newest gossip, step up and maybe buy her a dinner - ask her to meet you before league starts.... you do have something in common....

That sounds great, Charley. I'm happy for you.

It's just that I have made the move and any subsequent actions are her's.

The ball is in her court. Whether she chooses to play, or pass the ball on to another woman is up to her. Hopefully we can play ball.

Originally posted by Blade

The ball is in her court. Whether she chooses to play, or pass the ball on to another woman is up to her. Hopefully we can play ball.

Can I be the Reff??? I'll make good calls.
Well, I can understand how heavy your gutt must feel. But keep your head up high and make yourself seem confident if you don't get a reply and you end up seing her on Thursday.

i thought ud find out on thurs for some odd reason lol! but im sure she will write back. just wait probably to weigh it all in is all!

Final response to this thread: She e-mailed me back.

To get the most important thing out of the way, she said no. Why? Age gap.

She said she was flattered, but couldn't envision going with a YM. It was a very sweet response.. no animosity. She has kids, and she's single.. not dating.. but simply doesn't like AG relationships.

Back to the drawing board. At least I could say that there was closure. :)

I am sorry Blade. I guess the world hasn't recoginzed that love does also exist outside the "age-dating" tradition borders. But I am proud of you that you took the big step on sharing the information with us and also looking forward to move on with your league. I know that you will have much confidence in appearing around the ranges of your "Friend" as well because you sound confident in your post. Good luck to you, and don't become much of a stranger here. We like having you around.

Different strokes for different folks.

I am sorry to hear that.

For future reference, I would have started out small... like inviting her to coffee and working up to dinner etc. This way she could get to know you (and love you :D ). It would not be as intimidating as an email of adoration.

By sending a email and putting all your aspirations out there, I think it was too much to handle. Since she did not know you that well yet, it was also easier to say No.

To get you ready for the NEXT right woman... start talking to strangers in grocery stores etc. Doesn't matter if they are young or old, man or woman... this will get you over the fear of initiating the conversation. Okay?

I wouldn't give up, necessarily, on the woman you like either. I would say, "I understand... Hey! I bet I get more strikes! Want to bet a cup of coffee?" :D

Well, she has 2 young kids and a house to support. This leads me to believe that while.. even if she likes me.. I'm not what she needs at this point in her life.

She tells me she's had her eye on another man for a considerably long time and hasn't had the confidence to talk to him the way I "confronted" her. Her friends are trying to set her up with him, and that's where her focus is right now.

My friends have made mixed suggestions to me. Either throw in the towel completely, or leave the door open; I'm leaving the door open. I'm going to try and keep the relationship going in the direction it was originally intended (friendship) except that now she knows my thoughts and knows that I'm attracted to her. We have a mutual understanding that she doesn't want to date a young gun right now, but it doesn't rule out the possibility.

I think of it like this.. how many people have professed what I did? I didn't aim for superficiality, I told her that I enjoy her company in so many words. Then I asked her what she'd say to "getting asked out one night". She got the jist of my message, and I think that whether she wants to move forward and get to know me better now or not.. she has me on her unofficial list of "guys that like me".

I'm a planted seed in her mind. I'm apathetic to her now.. I actually encouraged her to be bold like I was and get with that guy if you really want to! Yet, now she knows that if he doesn't feel the same way.. she can always try a night out with me. Maybe we're compatible.

I know Amina......I was thinking the same thing....

Yeah, he is pretty nice. Thanks for the help, Messenger Boy!

You are a true American hero on par with any of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Except maybe Raphael.

Raphael would probably school you.

date a young gun:confused: Hmmm.... I wonder why that statement bothered me? Strange... :rolleyes:

Yellowrose: I didn't mean it in a sexual way, if you're bothered by it in that context. Young gun.. is that slang or something?

Originally posted by Amina315
Isn't it great to see a man so kind and nurturing to another man? How refreshing!

Well ofcourse. If I was struggling in a case like Blade was, I would appreciate some "man to man" compesation, know what I mean? It makes another pal feel nice about themself. It's what men do, just like what women do. But Blade needed more support because he was asking the right question unlike my selfish questions about a married woman.

By the way, why do women always get into groups of like 1,000 and all go to the restroom at the same time? Is there something that us men need to not know ? Isee that alot when I go dating.
(I was being sarcastic about 1,000, just pay attention to the "group") :D

Also Blade, I enjoy watching the TMNT back in my childhood days. And actually, Raphael was my favorite turtle, funny, egh?

You pursued a married woman, huh?

Yeah, I might not be completely morally sound.. but I would have ceased to chase my OW long ago had I known she was married.

Thankfully, she's single. She won't be bringing her husband down today to make sure I don't pull anything, when I see her. Heh. :)

Blade... I honestly was not being critical.. I promise. It was just something I noted about myself... still don't know why? :)

OH NOW I KNOW! It is because there was a boss (president of company) that said in a meeting that he was going to bring in the "young guns" to solve some problems. THAT's where it came from! He was saying in an off hand manner that the other "older" exec's couldn't handle their departments.

Out with the old, in with the new.

That's essentially what I perceive a young gun as. An up-and-comer.

Well when YOU are OLD... you won't perceive them as an "An up-and-comer." :D