kathyw 05-12-2005, 07:27 AM What is your definition of intelligence? Is someone intelligent just because they say they are? Is intelligence based on learning experiences or just learning...period (i.e. as in book smart) or is it a combination of both?
Is an intelligent person someone who can see things from more than one viewpoint...are they the type of person who will accept your viewpoint, yet still stand by there own?
I am curious...actually very curious...as to how everyone here defines intelligence...do you think younger men who seek long term relationships with older women have a higher intelligence level than younger men who just seek out sexual experience regardless of whom it's with...and don't care about any further connection?
I am just trying to define different viewpoints on intelligence...I know what I think intelligence is...but am seeking to understand what others may think.. :confused:
lapafrax 05-12-2005, 07:42 AM Well I'd define intelligence as being able to reason, store and recall large amounts of information.
I suppose I think there are different types of intelligence also. Academia is one. Streetwisdom is another.
kathyw 05-12-2005, 08:18 AM Well I'd define intelligence as being able to reason, store and recall large amounts of information.
I suppose I think there are different types of intelligence also. Academia is one. Streetwisdom is another.
Yep..I think so to Lapafrax...a healthy combination of both is good!
Genevieve 05-12-2005, 08:42 AM I've talked about this before but it bears repeating. This topic interests me because well.. as an educator we need to know HOW people learn. People have different intelligences and different learning styles. One theory I like is that of multiple intelligences. Howard Gardner is one of the "fathers" of this school of thought. We all possess varying degress of the different intelligences. So that intelligence can be defined in many ways. This is how all the talk of "EQ" as well as "IQ" started. People don't have to be "booksmart" to be intelligent. A perfect example was my father. He never graduated high school, yet he could carry on conversations on just about any subject, held a well paying job for many years as a plant supervisor, had a wide variety of interests from classical music to horseback riding, had a great sense of humor, and common sense as well.
GARDNER'S EIGHT INTELLIGENCES
Linguistic intelligence: a sensitivity to the meaning and order of words.
Logical-mathematical intelligence: ability in mathematics and other complex logical systems.
Musical intelligence: the ability to understand and create music. Musicians, composers and dancers show a heightened musical intelligence.
Spatial intelligence: the ability to "think in pictures," to perceive the visual world accurately, and recreate (or alter) it in the mind or on paper. Spatial intelligence is highly developed in artists, architects, designers and sculptors.
Bodily-kinesthetic intelligence: the ability to use one's body in a skilled way, for self-expression or toward a goal. Mimes, dancers, basketball players, and actors are among those who display bodily-kinesthetic intelligence.
Interpersonal intelligence: an ability to perceive and understand other individuals -- their moods, desires, and motivations. Political and religious leaders, skilled parents and teachers, and therapists use this intelligence.
Intrapersonal intelligence: an understanding of one's own emotions. Some novelists and or counselors use their own experience to guide others.
Naturalist intelligence: refers to the ability to recognize and classify plants, minerals, and animals, including rocks and grass and all variety of flora and fauna. Refers to a heightened sense of nature and the natural world. The ability to recognize cultural artifacts like cars or sneakers may also depend on the naturalist intelligence.
Other intelligences that Gardner has explored are, Spiritual Intelligence, Existential Intelligence, and Moral Intelligence. It's all quite interesting, and if you do a Google search on Howard Gardner, you'll find tons of stuff.
People also have different learning styles. I am mainly a verbal-linguistic learner, auditory, and I tend to be a global thinker. If anyone is interested, here is a link to one of the many different learning styles quizes you can take online. Finding out what kind of learner you are can help. Learning Styles Quiz (http://www.ldpride.net/learning_style.html)
kathyw 05-12-2005, 10:16 PM I've talked about this before but it bears repeating. This topic interests me because well.. as an educator we need to know HOW people learn. People have different intelligences and different learning styles. One theory I like is that of multiple intelligences. Howard Gardner is one of the "fathers" of this school of thought. We all possess varying degress of the different intelligences. So that intelligence can be defined in many ways. This is how all the talk of "EQ" as well as "IQ" started. People don't have to be "booksmart" to be intelligent. A perfect example was my father. He never graduated high school, yet he could carry on conversations on just about any subject, held a well paying job for many years as a plant supervisor, had a wide variety of interests from classical music to horseback riding, had a great sense of humor, and common sense as well.
GARDNER'S EIGHT INTELLIGENCES
Linguistic intelligence: a sensitivity to the meaning and order of words.
Logical-mathematical intelligence: ability in mathematics and other complex logical systems.
Musical intelligence: the ability to understand and create music. Musicians, composers and dancers show a heightened musical intelligence.
Spatial intelligence: the ability to "think in pictures," to perceive the visual world accurately, and recreate (or alter) it in the mind or on paper. Spatial intelligence is highly developed in artists, architects, designers and sculptors.
Bodily-kinesthetic intelligence: the ability to use one's body in a skilled way, for self-expression or toward a goal. Mimes, dancers, basketball players, and actors are among those who display bodily-kinesthetic intelligence.
Interpersonal intelligence: an ability to perceive and understand other individuals -- their moods, desires, and motivations. Political and religious leaders, skilled parents and teachers, and therapists use this intelligence.
Intrapersonal intelligence: an understanding of one's own emotions. Some novelists and or counselors use their own experience to guide others.
Naturalist intelligence: refers to the ability to recognize and classify plants, minerals, and animals, including rocks and grass and all variety of flora and fauna. Refers to a heightened sense of nature and the natural world. The ability to recognize cultural artifacts like cars or sneakers may also depend on the naturalist intelligence.
Other intelligences that Gardner has explored are, Spiritual Intelligence, Existential Intelligence, and Moral Intelligence. It's all quite interesting, and if you do a Google search on Howard Gardner, you'll find tons of stuff.
People also have different learning styles. I am mainly a verbal-linguistic learner, auditory, and I tend to be a global thinker. If anyone is interested, here is a link to one of the many different learning styles quizes you can take online. Finding out what kind of learner you are can help. Learning Styles Quiz (http://www.ldpride.net/learning_style.html)
This is an interesting theory Gen..and it seems very accurate...I am going to check out the website over the weekend when I have a little more time to relax and look at it..I have not heard about the different learning styles...how did you learn so much about it..I find it pretty fascinating. :)
Genevieve 05-13-2005, 08:25 AM Yes, it's very interesting. Knowing/learning about this stuff is all just part of courses you have to take in order to become a teacher. Knowing how people learn, helps us to teach, and helps the learner find what works best for their own learning. :) Gardner's ideas are just part of it.
Roseilicious 05-13-2005, 09:08 AM Good Morning! :)
There is another site... www.queendom.com... that was recommended during my college days for many types of tests; in reference to intelligence, they have tests for Emotional Intelligence/Emotional Quotient (EI - EQ), Intelligence Quotient (IQ)... over 225 test(s) of all kinds now... great site for those that love this kind of stuff... like I do.. :)
~Rose~
Charming_Paul 05-13-2005, 02:11 PM Hello Kathy!
That's quite an interesting question.
When I was about 20yo, I used to consider a woman "intelligent" by her amount of formal knowledge, like mastering languages (portuguese is a very hard language to master, so a few souls are willing to study it deeply), familiarity with historic events, math skills and so on.
Later I realized that erudition alone is useless, but I only noticed that by going thru some experiences myself. By the way, people who are strictly intellectual, usually, are also boring.
Now I think that intelligence is the ability to be adaptable, to be flexible PLUS the genetic predisposition and scholarship among other factors, including, experience.
I keep thinking a lot about intelligence X age, and that was your second question.
I'm not sure that ym who like ow are more intelligent than the others, we are only smarter and have a much better taste for women. ;-)
Experience has become a very usual subject in my conversations lately and, in one of them, a friend of mine (28yo woman) told me I might have some problems in finding that suitable someone 'cause I'm closed to most romantic possibilities that exist due to this neverending quest for an older, experienced, intelligent, agreeable, caring, loving, bla, bla, bla (lol) woman.
In a recent chat, this girl asked me: "what are you exactly looking for in a relationship with a much older woman?" and "experience" was one of the first things I thought of.
Then she said something that has been bothering me for some weeks now:
"YOU are looking for experience, a lapidated diamond, someone who you'll admire in and outside, but do you really think there are lots of them looking for a 20yo younger guy for the same reasons?".
Dang. And I have to confess. My personal experience forces me to say "NO".
Some older women ARE looking for that special someone for some authentic reasons, but some other are not, nor are some guys and it's quite frustrating to think that the person you love from the bottom of your heart "loves" you only for your age and a few shallow adjectives (you girls must know what I'm talking about, some men (think of that 40yo guy from across the street who just bought a convertible) just seem to "love" yw for their ...e-hem... pair of firm... "qualities").
Funny, but I relate it to one of Groucho Marx's quotes:
"I don't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member."
I guess I'd better think of seducing someone who is NOT looking for someone younger, but it looks like a real tough task (her husband may discover -kidding- bad, bad joke).
Hmm, I think I'm a little upset today, time for a relaxing walk on the beach.
As you say, just my 2 cents, no, make it 3 or 4.
Beijos
Paulo
Chatterbox 05-13-2005, 02:27 PM Hey, Charming Paul. I agree about Portuguese being difficult to learn. WHEW! I am an excellent mimicker but man I can't even PRONOUNCE most Portuguese words, never mind learn the language!
And I just want to tell you I think you're just as cute as a button, but don't get any ideas, I've already given a home to one sexy young Brazilian and one's my quota!
Charming_Paul 05-13-2005, 02:51 PM ...I think you're just as cute as a button, but don't get any ideas, I've already given a home to one sexy young Brazilian and one's my quota!
Hello Chatterbox.
Hehe, in my infinite english ignorance I was just trying to decide if a button is cute or not.
I even thought of which kind of button you were referring to... "Enter" key is not a cute button, but the space key is quite handsome, too bad I look like that useless on/off button in my computer (I never turn it off..lol..).
I'll just assume it's a compliment ;-))
Oh, my. You're engaged with a brazilian guy?
They're quite dangerous, sometimes they drive women mad, you know? (none of these women have complained yet, but they eventually get mad indeed ;-)) ).
Congrats, what's the fortunate guy's name? Where in Brazil does he live?
Beijos,
Paulo
ps. Your quota is 1 but you must have a cute sister, right? (lol)
Chatterbox 05-13-2005, 03:01 PM Don't feel bad, Charming Paul, "Cute as a button" is a very, very old expression - many U.S. people your age would not recognize it either! There is an even older expression, "You're cute as a bug's ear and twice as cute." -Man, that's old an old one!!
No. I am not engaged. My Brazilian younger man was my lover but is now just a friend and housemate. He is from Recife, which I understand has some very tough areas, but he is the nicest, sweetest man. The one thing that I just adore about him is that he is so "laid back" - do you know that expression? It means he is a relaxed, easy-going person - unlike so many of us here in the U.S.
Since we're in the "intelligence" thread, I'll add that has a great deal of "reading-people intelligence" and "fix stuff intelligence".
kathyw 05-13-2005, 11:13 PM Good Morning! :)
There is another site... www.queendom.com... that was recommended during my college days for many types of tests; in reference to intelligence, they have tests for Emotional Intelligence/Emotional Quotient (EI - EQ), Intelligence Quotient (IQ)... over 225 test(s) of all kinds now... great site for those that love this kind of stuff... like I do.. :)
~Rose~
Cool Site...thanks Rosy!!
kathyw 05-13-2005, 11:36 PM Hello Kathy!
That's quite an interesting question.
When I was about 20yo, I used to consider a woman "intelligent" by her amount of formal knowledge, like mastering languages (portuguese is a very hard language to master, so a few souls are willing to study it deeply), familiarity with historic events, math skills and so on.
Later I realized that erudition alone is useless, but I only noticed that by going thru some experiences myself. By the way, people who are strictly intellectual, usually, are also boring.
Now I think that intelligence is the ability to be adaptable, to be flexible PLUS the genetic predisposition and scholarship among other factors, including, experience.
I keep thinking a lot about intelligence X age, and that was your second question.
I'm not sure that ym who like ow are more intelligent than the others, we are only smarter and have a much better taste for women. ;-)
Experience has become a very usual subject in my conversations lately and, in one of them, a friend of mine (28yo woman) told me I might have some problems in finding that suitable someone 'cause I'm closed to most romantic possibilities that exist due to this neverending quest for an older, experienced, intelligent, agreeable, caring, loving, bla, bla, bla (lol) woman.
In a recent chat, this girl asked me: "what are you exactly looking for in a relationship with a much older woman?" and "experience" was one of the first things I thought of.
Then she said something that has been bothering me for some weeks now:
"YOU are looking for experience, a lapidated diamond, someone who you'll admire in and outside, but do you really think there are lots of them looking for a 20yo younger guy for the same reasons?".
Dang. And I have to confess. My personal experience forces me to say "NO".
Some older women ARE looking for that special someone for some authentic reasons, but some other are not, nor are some guys and it's quite frustrating to think that the person you love from the bottom of your heart "loves" you only for your age and a few shallow adjectives (you girls must know what I'm talking about, some men (think of that 40yo guy from across the street who just bought a convertible) just seem to "love" yw for their ...e-hem... pair of firm... "qualities").
Funny, but I relate it to one of Groucho Marx's quotes:
"I don't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member."
I guess I'd better think of seducing someone who is NOT looking for someone younger, but it looks like a real tough task (her husband may discover -kidding- bad, bad joke).
Hmm, I think I'm a little upset today, time for a relaxing walk on the beach.
As you say, just my 2 cents, no, make it 3 or 4.
Beijos
Paulo
Hey Paulo...where the heck have you been?! LOL jk...yes strictly intellectual types are boring..I agree...intelligence = adaptibility to change...yes...flexibility and experience...all have to do with intelligence imo...and Paulo, you know younger guys that are interested in older women are usually above average in intelligence Paulo...you're just to humble to admit it..lol..
You're also right about some women do want younger men around as eye candy I suppose...but I don't know many like that honestly...it's rather challenging to be in these types of realationships...so I don't think I would not be able to hang out (as in be in a realationship) with someone just because I thought they were cute or whatever.. but who the heck "looks" for a younger guy intentionally...don't get me wrong..I guess some people do..but I have to admit...I didn't even consider it because I honestly don't think about age...it really is just a number to me...it's weird cos I never really have paid all that much attention to age.
It's really all about the person to me...do their morals and values match my own...do they challenge me intellectually...are they humble (I can't stand egotistical men...or egotistical women either for that matter),. do they have a good sense of humor...are they dependable, realiable and responsible...do they learn from there mistakes?? All of these things are important to me...intelligence to me is being able to admit that you've made a mistake...even if it's just to yourself and one other person...trying to get it right the next time...and never giving up...no matter how hard things get...being that person that can endure...remaining calm when everything and everyone round you is falling apart ....being a survivor in life, and not a victim...to me this takes intelligence, strength and endurance...I often have a hard time in being critical with other people...mostly because I have been through so much in life...that I get impatient with others who moan and groan...at times I feel like saying...hey, get over yourself...get over your damn story (as we all have one)...and move on!
But...alas...apprently this is not a good trait for me to have ...and I am working daily to change it......patience has never been my strong suit!
Hang in there Paulo..we all have days that are more of a challenge to get through than others...the tough times make us who we are (well rounded people) ...and they sure do make the good times all that much better!! :)
Roseilicious 05-13-2005, 11:48 PM Cool Site...thanks Rosy!!
My pleasure, Kathy!! :D
~Rose~
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