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Relationship Advice For Men

kathyw
08-18-2005, 03:55 PM
For Inquiring Minds Who Want To Know...... :)

Relationship Advice for Men - 10 Ways to Seduce A Woman

Tips for men looking for ways to succeed with women.

By Patricia Fason, 7/2/2005

I have written this article by request but want to begin by saying that I in no way encourage men to treat women like objects. Men, this is a guide to help you win over a woman that you have a genuine interest in. If you are just looking for a one night stand then this article probably won't help you much. Lesson one, satisfaction comes with a sincere relationship and learning each others likes and dislikes. That being said, I hope you find something useful here that will help you give the woman of your dreams a reason to look your way.

Be sincere. Compliment her on something you truly admire. Hollow compliments can often be sensed. A compliment that she knows you mean will have much more impact. This doesn't mean you can throw out a compliment and then get naked, but it is a good first step. The compliment should NOT be 'you have great knockers.' Go for the eyes, hair, intelligence, sense of humor, something along those lines. On the other hand, too many compliments can come off sounding insincere. One or two sincere compliments are best.

Listen to her. She will give you clues about what she likes. At some later time, you can show that you remember what she has said and it makes a difference to you. This will earn you big points.

Be real. Don't exaggerate to make yourself sound better. Don't tell her lies just because you think it will help. These things have a way of turning around and biting you.

Don't offer advice unless asked. It could come off sounding like you are telling her what to do. Just listen and be supportive.

Do not talk about sex unless she brings it up. This one is pretty self explanatory.

Don't act desperate. Just let things flow naturally. Desperation is an unappealing quality in either sex. Playing a little hard to get can actually be appealing.

Avoid talking about yourself too much. Let her talk and if she wants to know, she will ask. An ongoing conversation about how big your muscles are or how fast your car is will not score many points. Bragging about how well endowed you are is a big no-no too. On the other hand, silence doesn't work either. Look around and find something to talk about. Preferably about her.

Avoid letting your eyes wonder to other women when you are with her. Talking about other women or your ex are both no-no's too. If you are out with her, let her know you like being with her by respecting her feelings and keeping your eyes and mind on her.

Treat her with respect. Don't call her chick, broad, dude or any other name unless you have been together for a while and you come up with pet names for each other. Respect is crucial and a good woman will not be interested in sex with you until she knows you respect her. If a one night stand is what you have in mind, then don't lead her into believing you want a relationship with her. Playing with her feelings is cruel and something no one should do to anyone.

Don't make her feel like because you have spent money on her, she should sleep with you. Making her feel this way will generally have the opposite affect. All you have bought is her time and the opportunity to prove to her that you are worth a second look. The rest is up to you.

©2005 Patricia Fason

kacadac
08-18-2005, 04:31 PM
Very true Kathy. But here's the thing, alot of what you said applies to both sexes. Nobody wants a conversation where the other person does all the talking. I never could understand why a guy that supposedly likes you looks over at other women while with you....how rude. To me the big thing is be yourself because if you're wearing a mask it will eventually come off and then you've wasted your time and their time while in the relationship.

K

kathyw
08-18-2005, 05:22 PM
Very true Kathy. But here's the thing, alot of what you said applies to both sexes. Nobody wants a conversation where the other person does all the talking. I never could understand why a guy that supposedly likes you looks over at other women while with you....how rude. To me the big thing is be yourself because if you're wearing a mask it will eventually come off and then you've wasted your time and their time while in the relationship.

K

Absolutely Kacadac...I agree it applies to both sexes. Both people should be sharing in the conversation...I agree with that as well..and why guys look at other women while they are with a woman...I will never understand..not all do..I usually let them know that "I" know when it's happened...it's usually followed by..well I like looking at "people" in general..or blah blah..you know..the story.

You have to be yourself...again, I agree with you 100 percent on this as well...the reason..well if you are pretending to be "outgoing" and you're not..if you are pretending to be "ok" with something and you're not, and if you're "acting" like someone you think they expect you to be...it'll never work...cos you can't be happy unless you are yourself..what you need to find is someone who appreciates who you truly are as a person...not always an easy task. :(

GoldieCat
08-18-2005, 05:30 PM
Heh...this article doesn't sound like it was written by a woman.

You can still sure read it as "do all the -right- things and she'll let you into her pants." It's really not *relationship* advice. The title and subtitle are a giveaway, since they are about how to "seduce" with "tips" and "succeed" (which usually means sex, and nothing more). The whole thing is written from the classical guy's viewpoint that women work a certain way and if you push the right buttons in the right order, they'll dispense sex like a vending machine. I've always thought it so odd that guys think women are "won over," like we don't have a choice if they think they can push those buttons.

kathyw
08-19-2005, 01:06 PM
Heh...this article doesn't sound like it was written by a woman.

You can still sure read it as "do all the -right- things and she'll let you into her pants." It's really not *relationship* advice. The title and subtitle are a giveaway, since they are about how to "seduce" with "tips" and "succeed" (which usually means sex, and nothing more). The whole thing is written from the classical guy's viewpoint that women work a certain way and if you push the right buttons in the right order, they'll dispense sex like a vending machine. I've always thought it so odd that guys think women are "won over," like we don't have a choice if they think they can push those buttons.

Good point Goldie..what things do you feel are most important for guys to keep in mind when they are interested in a woman? :)

GoldieCat
08-19-2005, 05:29 PM
:)

Well, I think they should take a look at themselves and what they REALLY want with women. A guy who follows the article's advice might be pretending to care just to get sex, as we know LOTS do. In other words, their intention is to manipulate and control, and treat women like prey who are to be outsmarted and conquered. They don't look at women as equals, companions, full people who will enrich their lives and not just their bed for the night.

This attitude is counterproductive if a guy wants a real exchange, real love, real companionship. So, I would say that if a guy sincerely wants a great relationship, then who a woman is should MATTER to him naturally. He should treat her accordingly. Treat her as an individual, treat her well, find out what SHE likes and show her he's attentive to what's important to her. Isn't that what we all want from our partner?

How can he ADD TO her life? It isn't about what HE'S getting out of her.

It's hard to prescribe specific behaviors, first because the fake stuff is MEANT to pose as the real thing to "catch" us, and second because we are ALL DIFFERENT when it comes to specific treatment we like. I'm so sick of the "tips and tricks" approaches and dealing with us like we're all the same just because we're not men, just f'n treat us like INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE YOU LIKE. It is so disrespectful to look at us as interchangeable vending machines.

Does that help answer your question kathyw? I got a little rambly there. :P

kathyw
08-20-2005, 12:21 PM
:)

Well, I think they should take a look at themselves and what they REALLY want with women. A guy who follows the article's advice might be pretending to care just to get sex, as we know LOTS do. In other words, their intention is to manipulate and control, and treat women like prey who are to be outsmarted and conquered. They don't look at women as equals, companions, full people who will enrich their lives and not just their bed for the night.

This attitude is counterproductive if a guy wants a real exchange, real love, real companionship. So, I would say that if a guy sincerely wants a great relationship, then who a woman is should MATTER to him naturally. He should treat her accordingly. Treat her as an individual, treat her well, find out what SHE likes and show her he's attentive to what's important to her. Isn't that what we all want from our partner?

How can he ADD TO her life? It isn't about what HE'S getting out of her.

It's hard to prescribe specific behaviors, first because the fake stuff is MEANT to pose as the real thing to "catch" us, and second because we are ALL DIFFERENT when it comes to specific treatment we like. I'm so sick of the "tips and tricks" approaches and dealing with us like we're all the same just because we're not men, just f'n treat us like INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE YOU LIKE. It is so disrespectful to look at us as interchangeable vending machines.

Does that help answer your question kathyw? I got a little rambly there. :P

Yep..it does Goldie..and you're right btw...that's why I kinda like to post certain articles..to get a take on how we all "really" feel about what they are saying or would have us to believe.

I don't always agree with many of the things that I read, hear or see...but I find that I learn a lot more ...when I put it out there and get some "real life" opinions about where are heads actually are...I learn so much more than I do by just reading something and filing it in my head.

I also do not believe in some prescribed method of one size fits all...that just doesn't work in real life...especially not for me...and it seems not for a lot of other people here as well. :D

yellowrose
08-21-2005, 11:27 AM
What I hate, is that a guy will read this and do these things for a couple of months. Then he CHANGES and goes back to his real self. He has WON her and thinks he doesn't have to do this anymore. Mean while, the woman is reading 'Cosmo" trying to figure out how to put the romance back in the relationship. :cool:

kathyw
08-21-2005, 12:35 PM
What I hate, is that a guy will read this and do these things for a couple of months. Then he CHANGES and goes back to his real self. He has WON her and thinks he doesn't have to do this anymore. Mean while, the woman is reading 'Cosmo" trying to figure out how to put the romance back in the relationship. :cool:

Sad but true Yellowrose...I don't understand the dynamics in a relationship sometimes..I also don't understand the part about winning someone over..then going back to the same old person you once were...when in a relationship you should continually strive for personal growth and be thinking of ways to make the other person happy. I think people who are self centered and selfish have the hardest time in relationships due to the fact that they constantly think in "me,me,me" sort of terms instead of thinking of their partner first. :(

GoldieCat
08-21-2005, 02:15 PM
What I hate, is that a guy will read this and do these things for a couple of months. Then he CHANGES and goes back to his real self. He has WON her and thinks he doesn't have to do this anymore.

Well, the "changes" were the stuff he pretended to be sincere about but it was only a method/tip/trick to capture the prey. Like kathyw just repeated - it was always all about HIM and what he could GET. That is not love.

There is a HUGE difference between looking at a woman as a status symbol/accessory/helpmate/tool/toy and being enthusiastic about truly RELATING to her, LOVING her, and sharing life with her fully.

The first attitude is the one a guy is more often encouraged into, and it is definitely a lower level of evolution. It is designed to keep him from being vulnerable or responsible. A lot of guys think that is a great deal and that the joke is on us. Not only is that a really sad attitude toward women, that we are meant to be used, and gypped out of the most precious thing in life, but what these guys don't see is that they are also CHEATING THEMSELVES of that same precious thing. Too bad.

kathyw
08-21-2005, 03:30 PM
Well, the "changes" were the stuff he pretended to be sincere about but it was only a method/tip/trick to capture the prey. Like kathyw just repeated - it was always all about HIM and what he could GET. That is not love.

There is a HUGE difference between looking at a woman as a status symbol/accessory/helpmate/tool/toy and being enthusiastic about truly RELATING to her, LOVING her, and sharing life with her fully.

The first attitude is the one a guy is more often encouraged into, and it is definitely a lower level of evolution. It is designed to keep him from being vulnerable or responsible. A lot of guys think that is a great deal and that the joke is on us. Not only is that a really sad attitude toward women, that we are meant to be used, and gypped out of the most precious thing in life, but what these guys don't see is that they are also CHEATING THEMSELVES of that same precious thing. Too bad.

I had to quote you on this Goldie...because you've summed up my feelings here...perfectly...I agree...they are cheating themselves just as much as anyone else...I don't really "get" these kind of people...this seems to me to be a very self destructive behavior on their part...I often wonder if it doesn't have to do with the fear of commitment...I just struggle with the idea that basically their are just some very screwed up individuals out there who go around playing with other people's feelings...but ya know what...I think maybe their are...and to that I would also have to agree with you Goldie in saying ..."Too Bad"

Buffeaut
08-23-2005, 12:52 AM
My philosophy is simple: If She is your best friend and you are her best friend, a happy relationship will ensue. If you enjoy her personality and vice versa, if the two of you feel a special something whenever you are together, there is chemistry.

kyle83
08-23-2005, 09:02 AM
What if you do and feel all these above mentioned things but she still doesnt see it and finds things that are irrelevant to the situation and that says are things she cant be with you because of these things. I dont get it and im becoming bitter i think about all this.

GoldieCat
08-23-2005, 08:21 PM
Sorry you're having trouble kyle....but just because you do the right things it doesn't mean she has to respond any certain way. A woman doesn't have to like anyone, and she doesn't owe guys anything even if they do treat her well. It's not a business transaction, ya dig?

You might not have picked a good person for you. All we're saying is, a good relationship starts with honest, good behavior. But there are no guarantees. When you do find the right person, treat her well, and you'll be on the right track.


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