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Other women in my pretty picture

EvEsWorld
03-27-2006, 11:08 PM
Hello all, I am 26 and here's my story about my 55om
Upon meetingmy older man, there was an immediate attraction. Since he was recently separated and I had recently ended a 4 year relationship, we decided that we would simply date and enjoy each others company rather than pursue a long term significant relationship. The playful dating didn't last long and before long we were spending every minute with other gorwing in love and every minute without each other pining for the other.
After having been together for about 3 months, unforseen circumstances made the choice to move in together not only irresistable, but practical as well. So, into my house we moved and began our life together. We've laughed and loved and grown to love each other more than either of us realized was possible. A year and a half later I said "yes" when he put my beautiful ring on my finger. We are 90% perfect together in my opinion.... EXCEPT....
He has 2 other women in his life. The first is his almost-ex-wife. She and I are friends, or at least on very pleasant speaking terms. He owns a couple of businesses with her and a house and yadda yadda yadda, the other typical marriage entanglements. Though I understand the lack of motivation to officially divorce, i can't help but be bothered by the fact that he's procrastinating. I have a ring on my finger and he's asked me to marry him though we have not discussed when. (not that we can at this point).
The second female in his life is the one that is driving me nuts. She is a 20 year old, dumb-as-a-box-of-rocks gold digger with a heart. I can't think of a better way to describe her so I hope you get the point. They dated for about 2 months prior to my appearance in the picture. She started working for him immediately after he and I started dating and is still there. She is terrible at her job and causes nothing but trouble in our life and at work, but he keeps her around because he cares about her and because in his words, "She is my special friend who is like a daughter to me".
Well, you and I know better than that. Over this last year, he has lied to me about her and has sneaked off to see her while still maintaining that she was only a friend. I'm lucky I guess that even with the best liar, I can smell a rat so I caught him every time. We faught like cats and dogs about this girl for the entire time we've been together until finally the S**T hit the fan and I told him to chose. He chose to leave for a week to figure things out. During that week, he slept with her and went totally nuts telling everyone that she was his soul mate and they were going to marry. At the end of the week he came to me and cried and begged forgiveness. He confessed everthing he'd ever done. He swore that he would let her go and he would stop lying to me. He said that he was wrong to ever leave me for her and that he only left because he was confused about where she fit in his life and because I was controlling him by not allowing him to have her as a friend.
I generally don't let people get away with what I have forgiven him for, but since I had commited a similar crime earlier in our relationship and becuase I want this relationship to work, I found it in my heart to forgive him and try again.
It has been 3 months since that little incident and 3 weeks since he asked me to marry him and bought me a ring. In 3 months our relationship has gone to another level with communication, love, and commitment. Things are better between us and worse at the same time. He has not honored his commitment to get her out of the picture. I do see that their relationship has changed to an innocent relationship, but I can not deal with her being a part of our life anymore. He wants for me and her to be friends so that she can dive and fish with us this summer. I am discusted and offended by this desire. I have explained my feelings several times, but we always end up fighting and we stand at odds with each other. I refuse to have her as part of my life or his life and he refuses to give her up.
I have spent a lot of time explaining the bad about our relationship and have not expressed how compatible in every way (but this) we are. Nor have I told you what a precious love he and I share. He truly loves me and is good to me and we don';t fight about anything else. So all is not bad.

Our relationship will end over this girl very soon. We are both frustrated and neither of us will give in on this issue. I really don't want this to happen, but I don't see a way around this issue. Any advice you all can give is welcome and appreciated.

SusanQ
03-27-2006, 11:31 PM
Sounds like he might like a lot of drama in his life...

SusanQ
03-27-2006, 11:33 PM
I wouldn't be able to tolerate the young girl "friend". A person doesn't go from being lovers to just friends at least not that fast. And why can't he give her up? That's not unreasonable for you to ask.

EvEsWorld
03-27-2006, 11:44 PM
Sus you are right about him liking drama. lol :D
I am not able to tolerte the young girlfriend thing. He is drving me away with it and vice versa. I don't feel it is too mcuh to ask either, but he does. He keeps saying that this girl is "special" to him and he know what a pain in the arse she is, but he just cares about her. He keeps promsing that if I'll be patient, he'll make it all right, but I'm 26 and only capable of so much patience! I can tell you that he has gotten better and includes her in fewer of our discussions and fewer of his plans, but he gets better and then worse. It's weird. It's like he os terrified to lose her. When she starts having her own life, he literally runs to get her and pull her back.
I think in his mind she is his ace in the hole if things dont work out between us. I think he has a habit of stringing women along..hence the ex wife from which he is STILL not divorced...me and my ring with no possibility of getting married at this point and HER with not letting her go.

Gypsyheart
03-28-2006, 12:16 AM
I wish I had something constructive to say right now, but my eyelids are heavy. All I can muster is you are TOO YOUNG and LIFE IS TOO SHORT to be putting up with THIS CRAP!!

Sorry, but what you describe to me is nothing more than a big kid wanting his "cake and eat it too". Since everyone plays along with his "string along" game, he has no reason to change. I'm sorry hun, but you, the ex and the special friend all deserve better. I apologize if my words are harsh, but absolutely hate seeing someone his age yanking everyone's heartstrings. He needs to grow up. :(

Sometimes, the person we love is "almost" perfect for us.......but not quite. Sometimes that percentage of imperfection is too much to deal with. I wasted MANY YEARS with someone that was "almost" perfect for me.

In the end, the part of him that was wasn't...... almost destroyed me. Only you can decide how many weeks..... months....... years you'll waste waiting for him to truly chose YOU in this equation. Sometimes you have to chose YOURSELF and do what best for you.

Wallypop
03-28-2006, 04:50 AM
]"I refuse to have her as part of my life or his life and he refuses to give her up. "[/I]

I think that says it all... debating who's right or who's wrong is not going to change that sentence. If you (both) are incapable of understanding the other's position and negotiating a compromise... it's over except for the packing.

MerAlove23
03-28-2006, 06:13 AM
I wish I had something constructive to say right now, but my eyelids are heavy. All I can muster is you are TOO YOUNG and LIFE IS TOO SHORT to be putting up with THIS CRAP!!

Sorry, but what you describe to me is nothing more than a big kid wanting his "cake and eat it too". Since everyone plays along with his "string along" game, he has no reason to change. I'm sorry hun, but you, the ex and the special friend all deserve better. I apologize if my words are harsh, but absolutely hate seeing someone his age yanking everyone's heartstrings. He needs to grow up. :(

Sometimes, the person we love is "almost" perfect for us.......but not quite. Sometimes that percentage of imperfection is too much to deal with. I wasted MANY YEARS with someone that was "almost" perfect for me.

In the end, the part of him that was wasn't...... almost destroyed me. Only you can decide how many weeks..... months....... years you'll waste waiting for him to truly chose YOU in this equation. Sometimes you have to chose YOURSELF and do what best for you.

GypsY I feel the same way...

I know you love him. and love just doesn't shut off like a light switch.... It takes pain and hurt to muddle thru but it will happen you wll move on.... Its not really the girls fault either... He did let it happen remember that... so the 20 year old which may be partial to blame here but shes not the one you should be mad at ... it should be him..

I think it's time to make you happy and find your sou l mate.. You got so much ahead of you so I say don't sweat this life is to short Move on and find someone who will love you 100%

CeeJay
03-28-2006, 07:47 AM
EvEsWorld,

I have an OM........he is 35 years older than me. If, for one minute, he ever felt that someone else "needed" to be involved in our relationship (especially someone who he has slept with - that is younger than me), we would be over and done with.

I have very few "rules of the road" in our relationship but one of them is that our relationship will not come in second to anything (well, except his children) otherwise, it won't happen. I don't think that's a lot to ask.......

I know that's not what you want to hear but you did say that this girl is going to ruin your relationship. Either keep him distracted from communicating with her (if that's possible) OR....?....

He wants his cake and eat it too...so it sounds. Not the type of relation you deserve.

Good luck to you.

kilimanjaro
03-28-2006, 01:20 PM
He chose to leave for a week to figure things out. During that week, he slept with her and went totally nuts telling everyone that she was his soul mate and they were going to marry.

It sounds like he "figured out" every thing he needed to know.

Don't waste your time on this guy. There are plenty (well, not plenty, but at least some) good men out there.

iliana
03-28-2006, 01:52 PM
You deserve better.

Say that to yourself over and over again when this relationship ends. You'll be saying good bye to someone you love, but you'll also be saying goodbye to someone who's incapable of giving you what you need.

Good luck and again you're too young and life's too short to put up with this BS.

Softsong
03-28-2006, 03:26 PM
He never took the time to be by himself when he separated from his wife. He dated you and the other girl right away and I doubt he is in a position to really committ to anyone at this point. He is a time bomb, an emotional roller coaster.

But even so, he should know that it is unrealistic and selfish to expect you to accept the presence of this other girl, especially since he slept with her after proclaiming she was like a daughter to him. Then he blamed you for sleeping with her because you were not wanting him to be able to have her as a friend. Come on!

He will break your heart, over and over again. And as Gypsy Heart said, some people are almost perfect and the part that is not will really hurt.

Science Goddess
03-28-2006, 03:47 PM
Darlin, you're getting some really good advice here. Go back, and re-read.

These folks know what they're talking about in regard to

Compromise
Doing what's best for the relationship
Drama, drama, drama
Wanting to have his cake and eat it, too
"TOO YOUNG and LIFE IS TOO SHORT to be putting up with THIS CRAP!!"

And, hon, he's still married to someone else. He REALLY has the backdoor open with that one.

It might be time to stop wasting your time. warning sign.

Softsong
03-28-2006, 08:17 PM
And in thinking about it, is it possible he may have conditioned the wife to accept the separation, and to accept you while he is "finding himself?" Are you sure she may not think by being cooperative, he will return to her eventually? You have said you are friends, maybe you know she has no intention of being with him, and she has instituted the separation, but I wonder since I lack all the facts.

It seems as though there is a strong chance he is good at keeping everyone involved with him, and has an excuse that keeps everyone hoping that they alone will have him, when the time is right.

It definitely seems so with the 20 year-old girl in question. She seemed o.k. with just being friends after dating, but went right back into sex and wanting to marry him, too...or he would not have been talking that way. And now, supposedly she is o.k. with going back to friend again, and "Innocently" hanging with you both.

Red flags all over this situation and I doubt a good outcome.

doodles
03-29-2006, 04:54 PM
I know it is hard to hear what other people have to say because I have been there done that. You hear what they say and know that is what you should do but you just can't bring yourself to do it. I spent 10 years with a man that I waited on hoping that eventually he would love me and we would be married. I couldn't understand why he wanted to spend all this time with me but that was all that he wanted. A commitment from him was not in the picture at all. He was 27 years older than me. I prayed about it for months and I guess I just never got the hint from God to move on. Now I had the choice made for me. He died in April two years ago. Our relationship was very rocky from the start as is your with other women. I heard all the stories but just kept on believing some day he would be just mine. After he died I said that I didn't want in another relationship. Ten months after his death I was told by my counselor to get on with my life and start doing the things I loved. I met an old friend and we started doing things together just as friends. He didn't want any more and I didn't want any more. Then four months later he is saying he loves me and four months after that he asked me to marry him. We are now getting married in June 2006. So my advice to you is life is to short to waste it on maybes and you need to have real true love in your life. It is possible. I now have someone who tells me he loves me everyday and what a wonderful thing to hear. Good Luck.

decent_hostess
03-30-2006, 07:52 PM
Dump him and get yourself a single/divorce man.

fOxY_bRoWn
04-01-2006, 09:10 PM
Hi EvEsWorld, I sympathize with what you are going through, especially if you have developed feelings for him so it makes the situation even harder but like someone else mentioned above, a relationship is about compromise...it's a give and take. If he is doing something that he KNOWS is hurting you (like having other females on the side) and is not doing a thing about it then I have a question for you, is this the kind of guy you want to spend the rest of your life with?
I think 3 months of dating is such a short time and he's already showing major red flags such as cheating...that is definitely a bad sign. I think in the beginning of a relationship the two people dating should be putting their best foot forward not showing bad habits already. I just ended a rlp with an OM last week. We only dated for about 4 1/2 months, and in the first 2 months were great, he was wonderful. After about the third and fourth month, I just started noticing how manipulative, dominating, and emotionally abusive he was to me. He also lost his temper with me about 3 times, even grabbing my hand with force and yelled at me. I honestly can say I did not see these things until recently, so after a lot of thought, prayer, and talking with some older female friends of mine, I decided that I could not honestly see myself marrying someone with this type of behavior and character flaws. I feel so relieved that it's over, and I'm excited about the possibilities of meeting a wonderful man! :D :)

I'm not going to tell you to leave him or keep him...that is YOUR CHOICE.
But think about what the others have said...could you see yourself marrying a guy that behaves the way you described. AND NO YOU CAN'T CHANGE HIM, only he can change himself.


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