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BeautifulLife
04-21-2006, 11:14 AM
I'm new to the forums and I've been reading the posts on the "45/18 married thread" with much interest. I decided to post here after that and hope that I will not be chased away....

I am a 23 y/o/f and I am in a situation that never in a million years would I have dreamed to find myself in. I am having an affair with a 48-year-old married man. I'll try to explain what lead to this point.

I've known "R" for about a year. We both volunteer as EMTs (Emergency Medical Technicians) for the EMS here in our small town. I met him when I joined the service last year. Right away there was a sort of "easiness" between us. By that, I mean that we were instantly comfortable with one another. Talking to one another was easy. It was one of those "I feel like I've known you forever" type of things. Just a great friendship, and a connection that you don't find every day.

In the year since I've known R, I've gone through the process of getting a divorce, which should be final in the next month or so. My ex is bipolar with several other mental illnesses and refuses to get help. After 3 marriage counselors and several separations, I finally realized that he would never be willing to put his all into our marriage, and get the help he needs to function. For the sake of my 4-year-old daughter and I, I filed for divorce.

Unfortunately, my financial situation didn't allow me for the best of lawyers. When I was frustrated with the lack of information and answers to my questions from my lawyer, I called R because I knew he had been through the process before. He knew that I was going through a rough time and had offered to help in any way he could. I didn't have any other close friends who had been through a divorce. When I called him, we ended up talking for hours. Not just about divorce, but about lots of other things as well. We found out that we had more in common than we'd previously thought. In fact, it was almost as if we were "separated at birth" (he joked that it was a long labor). We can finish each other's sentences, and know what the other is thinking even before they can express it.

I should also state that R's marriage is in a bad state as well. His wife served him with divorce papers 3 or 4 years ago. He tried to get her to reconcile and they ended up getting back together, although their relationship has never been good. They've been married 11 years and he says that they haven't gotten along for pretty much all of those 11 years. He says he "settled" for her after his ex-wife cheated on him and he went through his prior divorce. She was a principal and he thought she'd be good for his kids (he had 2 boys at the time, ages 11 and 2). The oldest one is now out of the house. However, when he and his current wife had another child together, his other boy became the "red-headed stepchild." His wife openly admits to taking her anger at R out on R's son. She will tell him to his face that she doesn't like him. They've been to 3 different marriage counselors and he says it's like pulling teeth to get her to go. She told him recently that it's hard for her to look at him sleeping and "not kill him" when she comes to bed at night. I do not know her personally, although I had met her in passing before R and I really knew each other. I do know that she is not very well-liked by most of the staff in the school where she works. However, I also know there are 2 sides to every story, and R is open about admitting some of his own faults as well.

R and I started talking more and more often, emailing each other, and running errands around town together. The type of friendship we had was something that I've never experienced before. It's almost like we are one in the same person. It's kind of creepy, actually. Eerie. And the underlying sexual attraction was starting to be there. Eventually I told R that I didn't feel comfortable spending so much time with him since he was married. I felt us having an "emotional" affair. He had been talking of leaving his wife for a couple of months by then, before our relationship grew so close. I told him that it would be different if they were in the process of a divorce, but until things got to that point, I didn't want to spend so much time with him.

Unfortunately, neither of us seems to be able to say "no" to each other. He has told me that he believes we are "soulmates." The bond between us is so strong that neither of us seems to be able to break it apart. I told him he needed to figure out what he wanted to do in regards to his marriage. He told me he wanted to leave, and that he would do so within the next couple of months. He started inquiring about a house in town to buy. But now he is hesitating.

He tells me he knows if he stays, things won't change. They haven't for 11 years. He says there is no emotional or physical chemistry between the 2 of them. He and the boys walk on eggshells around her, for fear of setting off her temper. She treats his son awfully and favors their son. He says he knows that things would be wonderful with me. We share an emotional, physical, and mental bond that he says he has never experienced with anyone, and neither have I. He says he doesn't really have any good reason to stay, but he just can't seem to walk away. I do know that he feels like he failed again. This is his third marriage (first one he claims responsibility for being "young and stupid" in the end, the second one his wife cheated on him). He has custody of his son from his second marriage and is worried about being a single dad with a very demanding job. His wife has threatened to make his life a living hell if he leaves. But then again, as I have pointed out, it's not much better than hell now.

I never thought I would find myself falling for a married man, much less one that is almost 25 years older than I. I do believe everything, good or bad, happens for a reason. I know that we were placed in each other's lives for a reason. I am struggling to figure out why that is. The connection we have is something that transcends age, or gender, or any kind of social background. It's almost like we have the same soul. I am struggling to figure out why he is hesitating to leave such a bad marriage. I also know that rarely is anything black and white. I think it would be easy to look at our situation and tell me to leave him alone, to go away, and I know that I should do that. But that's much easier said than done.

I do not believe I am young or naieve. I may be 23, but usually people are surprised to find out that I am that young. I have never acted my age, or so I've been told. An "old soul" people say. I've experienced many things in life already that forced me to grow up fast. I've had the big wedding and dreams of white picket fence and 2.5 kids with a dog in the yard. I know how much work a marriage takes. I know how it feels to fail. I was a single mom at age 19, bought my own home and worked to get a good job to make a decent living for my daughter and I, without any physical or financial support from her biological father. (My ex-husband is not the father of my daughter; I married him when she was 2-1/2.) I've already lost one parent to cancer. I know that life is short, and I don't believe in wasting time being unhappy.

I don't really know what I'm looking for with this post. I kind of just wanted to get my story out there and see how people responded to it. I am looking for some insight as to why R is hesitating to leave, although he says even he doesn't know. I hope that I am not judged too harshly, because I already judge myself over this, and believe me, I am my own worst critic.

Thank you all in advance for reading this, and your replies.

greeneyedgirl
04-21-2006, 12:49 PM
"I don't really know what I'm looking for with this post."


Neither do i? Especially after reading everyone's posts on the thread you mentioned you'd perused.

i guess the only thing i can say is, if you value yourself, remove yourself from him and let him work out his own stuff without your influence. and that's pretty much it?

my best to you

Tracy

JUng
04-21-2006, 01:41 PM
What can be said about this mess that both of you have created?

He is on his third marriage. Apparently he bears no blame for the failure of any of them (he was young and stupid, his wife cheated, and he is having an affair in the third...but that is because he never should have married this last one). If he married you it would be #4.

He actually married someone just because she would be good for his children??? Boy this guy is a GENIUS isn't he??! Hmmm...what a catch!


Since he has no problem with screwing around behind his wife's back...what makes you think he would be any different with you?

Soulmates.... you mean bedmates. Your hot for each other...all else be damned!

Three marriages, no ethical foundation for his behavior...he gets to screw you AND he will not leave his wife.

Beautiful......yeah he's a keeper....

Kristin
04-21-2006, 02:56 PM
Again, this is a marriage/infidelity question and has nothing to do with age gaps - except the guy you are cheating with is older. What answers do you expect to find on an age gap forum? Do you have an age gap question? I didn't see one.

Seriously, I'm not judging you, I don't care what you do with your life and I have no answers for you, but why post here? I'm really, honestly curious! I have to admit you are either brave or dense if you were reading that other thread and still posted this. LOL ;)

There are people here who were having "affairs" with their SO and they managed to post and ask for advice about actual age gap issues without getting into the fact that one or more parties were still married. Why can't other people seem to be able to do that? :confused:

(I swear this place is like an online diary or blog for people just to get things off their chest!)

BTW - Jung makes some very good points. This guy has a horrible track record and I fear he is using you. That's the best I can do, sorry.

MerAlove23
04-21-2006, 06:06 PM
Well I can't really add much here either....

I understand that they are in a loveless marriage.. and Trust me I do believe they should divorce.... Marriage to some means more than to others... Marriage to me means alot to me morally and religiously. I took my vows very seriously... HOWEVER, if a marriage isn't working then it's ok you just move on....

I think that the age gap is surpassable with work of course it's never easy.... expecially with larger age gaps... but perhaps let him know that your falling for him and you would want to wait until he divorces his wife.... I just truely feel that you should end one relationship before you can start another..... I mean really think if this is what you want... Someone who won't divorce? your just on the "side" I mean if it's true love nothing will get in your way... and I don't see their being an issue with either party to settle with divorce ... but there has to be a reason why he wanted to remain with her after she served him with divorce papers.. if their wasn't any love their than how come he didn't just sign it and get it over with?

You need to search within yourself and realize what it is that YOU want.... thats all that matters

Good Luck

shadddup
04-22-2006, 08:53 AM
Well, I can understand the other posters points about not feeling qualified about giving marital advice on this site with it being an specific age gap relationship site...

On the other hand, it just goes to show that your particular delima is a common one, it seems.

At the present time, you seem to have two inital issues going...potential divorces and age gaps.

As far as what progress "R" is making or not making in his own situation, that's just something he's going to hafta do alone. Sometimes when we're faced with major decisions, it's not appropriate and/or easy to immediately jump up with an answer or solution and act on that. I stayed in a marriage LONG after I shoulda because of fears and worries and confusion (feeling trapped, children, etc). Although I received counsel from others, I was not able to do what was best for me and the children, until *I* got to that point naturally. My suggestion would be to back off (yes I know that's hard but when you really care about someone, sometimes you just hafta do the *right thang*) and give him that space, allowing him to process through and make whatever decisions he will make on his own and in his own timing.

His marriage track record concerns me also, it's not normal or healthy (in my not so humble opinion) for someone to have repeated marriage failures...something is amiss there. Just remember, that you can't *rescue* him, and make all his past poor relationship decisions suddenly fixed by being the *one he's been searching for all his life. That's something a person hasta recognize and work at themselves.

Perhaps once these immediate issues are resolved, then you'll be placed into the position of dealing with the next layer of your potential relationship...an age gap.

Best of luck and feel free to pm me if you ever need to talk.


Shad.

Wallypop
04-23-2006, 05:54 AM
Here's what would interest me if I found myself in the situation you describe:

What makes two people feel like "soul mates?" For that matter, what the heck is a "soul mate?" Seriously, when two people feel a bond... a deep bond, what sparks it and what feeds it?

Most often it's the fact that you've "connected" over something... it might be a good roll in the sack... it might be that you both share some deep understanding of how love and relationships work... it might be that you share the same problems... uh oh... hold everything!

In other words, you are two people who are clearly in very similar difficulties - in simplest form, two people who are finding it difficult to get out of unfulfilling marriages.

So the question might be this: what happens when your situations change? What happens when the problems that drew you together go away? Is there enough other stuff there to expand and deepen the relationship? There are plenty of failed relationships around that stopped working when the reason the two were drawn together went away. In fact, isn't that really what underlies every failed relationship?

As for his "hesitancy" to divorce... well, it is quite easy to sit at a keyboard and describe how another person should feel and behave. It is quite another to feel those things and to do those things. I could probably think of a thousand possible explanations for him finding it difficult to do what others wish he would - including the possibility that, at some level, he fears a relationship with you won't work, for any one of another thousand possible reasons. It is also quite easy to pick one reason and state loudly that it's the only possibility. Unfortunately, life is a bit more complex.

Relationships aren't one-dimensional. The concern here could just as easily be that you were drawn together because you'd each recently lost a parent you were close to... what happens when the grieving is finished? Are you still going to be important to each other? Would you stop seeing each other until you both were finished grieving?

It's about the relationship. It's ALWAYS about the relationship. It's not about the marriages and it's not about the divorces. I think you both need to be sure that's true, though.

whiterose
04-23-2006, 09:15 AM
I am looking for some insight as to why R is hesitating to leave, although he says even he doesn't know.


I think R is the only person who can answer this, even though he says he doesn't know. He needs to do some self-exploration to figure this out and it would probably be helpful if he did this before your relationship with him progresses any further. Because otherwise, if the two of you do wind up together, he may be bringing that same issue forward into your relationship with him.

Having been in a similar situation, where my first husband cheated on me, I can understand how scary it is to end a second marriage that isn't working out. You feel like a failure. So, maybe that's it. But, again, only R can figure for himself why he won't leave her.

And the only thing that you can do is figure out whether you are willing to remain in the status quo with how things are now, or if you should move on and consider other options.

All the best to you dear. I hope that you can find some peace.


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