Celtish
03-15-2007, 10:33 PM
I didn't want to hijack Wary's thread any more than I already have. I know she's having a hard time of things and don't want my desire to discuss this further to supercede or minimize what she's coming to terms with. Wary, I didn't reply to your post because everyone else already said everything I would.
Now for my reply to Bubblebee's post:
We have mixed together sex with underage people with real pedophilia (attraction to children who have not physcially developed) in our sexual predatory laws and true pedophilia is probably more rare than the media portrays I would presume. It certainly is far more dangerous as proven in the Jessica Lunsford case. Are we diluting resources against real pedophiles by capturing middle aged men looking to have sex with underage young women?
I don't believe so. Age of consent differs from state to state (http://www.webistry.net/jan/consent.html), with various addendums tacked on. In most cases it's 16...in some it's 15, even 14. Frankly, to me that's a kid. I think it depends on the circumstances, the motives behind the man's desire to be with her (a relationship or just sex, for example), whether she's coerced or participating willingly, etc etc etc. When I was 15 I dated a 19 year old. In some states that would be illegal, yet we got along wonderfully, so who knows. I think in most cases though, an older man (or woman!) wanting to be with someone extremely young (middle school or younger) is kind of....well...icky. Even with my own penchant for younger men, I can't think of the kids in my neighbourhood in any way other than maternally.
Just my two cents, so take it for what it's worth :)
Some men have strong interest/need for ponography (adult type) than others. Is that nature or nurture? If a man is strongly male brained, is he more likely to seek pornography? Will he seek pornography because his dad did it? Does sexual repression and conservative family values influence the need/drive for porno (like the preacher)?
That's a good question for the guys. In my own situation, I started looking at porn after the end of my marriage, mainly because I really had no idea about my own sexuality. Some things I liked, somethings I wasn't interested in at all, but it was actually quite helpful, believe it or not. And thus far, I haven't become a raving sexual fiend either...although I'm not nearly as uptight as I used to be, which is kinda frightening if you know me at all :)
People don't change much, I've found. If they exhibit deviant behaviour, there's an excellent chance that it's always been there, suppressed or repressed, or even just hidden. I've found that a sexually uptight culture, whether it's a society or religious sect, doesn't eliminate fringe behaviour, it only pushes it underground.
Here's what I'd like to know. In the 1800's Oscar Wilde was "was imprisoned at two years of hard labour after being convicted of the offence of 'gross indecency', which also included homosexual acts not amounting to buggery in British legislation." (Wikipedia) Now, homosexuality is an acceptable alternate lifestyle, more or less. Of course there are some things that we believe deeply are wrong, and will never be acceptable. But that's what they thought about homosexuality a couple of centuries ago.
What else do you think may be come acceptable down the line?
Now for my reply to Bubblebee's post:
We have mixed together sex with underage people with real pedophilia (attraction to children who have not physcially developed) in our sexual predatory laws and true pedophilia is probably more rare than the media portrays I would presume. It certainly is far more dangerous as proven in the Jessica Lunsford case. Are we diluting resources against real pedophiles by capturing middle aged men looking to have sex with underage young women?
I don't believe so. Age of consent differs from state to state (http://www.webistry.net/jan/consent.html), with various addendums tacked on. In most cases it's 16...in some it's 15, even 14. Frankly, to me that's a kid. I think it depends on the circumstances, the motives behind the man's desire to be with her (a relationship or just sex, for example), whether she's coerced or participating willingly, etc etc etc. When I was 15 I dated a 19 year old. In some states that would be illegal, yet we got along wonderfully, so who knows. I think in most cases though, an older man (or woman!) wanting to be with someone extremely young (middle school or younger) is kind of....well...icky. Even with my own penchant for younger men, I can't think of the kids in my neighbourhood in any way other than maternally.
Just my two cents, so take it for what it's worth :)
Some men have strong interest/need for ponography (adult type) than others. Is that nature or nurture? If a man is strongly male brained, is he more likely to seek pornography? Will he seek pornography because his dad did it? Does sexual repression and conservative family values influence the need/drive for porno (like the preacher)?
That's a good question for the guys. In my own situation, I started looking at porn after the end of my marriage, mainly because I really had no idea about my own sexuality. Some things I liked, somethings I wasn't interested in at all, but it was actually quite helpful, believe it or not. And thus far, I haven't become a raving sexual fiend either...although I'm not nearly as uptight as I used to be, which is kinda frightening if you know me at all :)
People don't change much, I've found. If they exhibit deviant behaviour, there's an excellent chance that it's always been there, suppressed or repressed, or even just hidden. I've found that a sexually uptight culture, whether it's a society or religious sect, doesn't eliminate fringe behaviour, it only pushes it underground.
Here's what I'd like to know. In the 1800's Oscar Wilde was "was imprisoned at two years of hard labour after being convicted of the offence of 'gross indecency', which also included homosexual acts not amounting to buggery in British legislation." (Wikipedia) Now, homosexuality is an acceptable alternate lifestyle, more or less. Of course there are some things that we believe deeply are wrong, and will never be acceptable. But that's what they thought about homosexuality a couple of centuries ago.
What else do you think may be come acceptable down the line?