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Desert Spring
07-19-2007, 01:55 PM
Yikes, I really don't know what to do. Somebody help me :>

I'm not going to recap the whole bloody story right now, but basically we were together for not quite 8 years with a 16 year age difference and broke up in April. He is 27 now, so you can do the math.

So anyway, short version: fairly agonizing breakup after a relationship that started off really wonderful and rich, and died a long slow painful death over the last few years after some stress and change. No one's fault really: we just grew apart and could no longer paper over some areas where we had some difficulty. Or perhaps we both just changed in some incompatible ways over the years. I'm still not entirely sure ...

Everybody hurt, but we tried not to hate each other and have more or less kept up uneasy communication through the whole thing - some of which has gone pretty well, helped and approached genuine friendship and some which has been strained and difficult - depends on the day in question, it seems. The frequency comes and goes - now we'll generally check in via phone or e-mail once every 7-10 days or so.

I am seeing someone else, and have been for about a month, but on a fairly casual basis. I like the new guy and he likes me, but he knows I'm rebound city and he has got a busy life so we're leaving it at FWB for now. The ex more or less knows that I'm seeing someone (he asked, I told him, I've always been a bad liar) and has told me that he isn't, himself.

So ... having set the situation up : here's what just happened and what I can't figure out how to deal with. A girlfriend of mine had a pressing need for a computer monitor (work crisis, old one burned out, insane panic, money crunch etc) and when she called all freaked out, it occurred to me that my ex had just replaced his and in the way that old monitors sit around in closets, it was probably available. Sent him a quick e-mail explaining the situation, he responded right away and said sure, why not, gets rid of the thing and since they know each other, I just gave her his contact info and then forgot about it. She mentioned to me last weekend that she had gone over and gotten it, so I sent over a friendly thanks e-mail.

I was a little surprised not to get a response, but figured it didn't really matter. It wasn't exactly a major content-rich letter after all, just a note. But last night, 5 days after I sent it, I came home to a voice mail message: it was a tremulous hi, followed by a not-quite-a-word strangled sound, followed by a click. I know what the mind can do, so I listened to it several times to make very sure that the shaky hi was him, but it is. Even the cat could tell :>

Now he's quiet, but he is articulate, so that sounded like pain. And I've been there and I remember what it sounds like. Nothing wrong with that - we all have dark nights of the soul and sometimes it doesn't mean that anything is different than it is, it just means you have feelings.

On the one hand, (the higher hand), I want to be there for someone I care about very much. I said I would be and I meant it, and I owe him that for the many years of happiness he gave me. But breakups are what they are and its only been a few months, and there is a lower hand too - that wants him to be miserable and sad without me, and will rather enjoy anything I get in that general direction ..... (I know, I'm a scum bucket, but thats how it is) - and that I'm a little too eager for payback time for the generous exposure to my emotional pain that I gave him in the 4-6 weeks after the breakup.

One thought that's fairly clear is that, in the end, maybe one has to find the courage to say more than "hi, graah, click" - and that for me to acknowledge what is in the end - incomplete - may not be worth it.

But it makes me feel like a **** to blow it off and part of my heart tells me that I know perfectly well he has a limited number of people he can really talk to and whether its "about us" or not (and who knows?), the important thing is to act like a compassionate being and a friend.

So I'm not happy ignoring it and I'm not happy acknowledging it - either - and I need to find a place I can live with.

I know the votes - lol - most likely will go in the direction of ignoring it, but how do you deal with the feeling that you're acting like a self-centered child and blowing off a dear friend who may need you?

thoughtcriminal
07-19-2007, 02:06 PM
Well, I am going to assume that you know it is he that called you (I have called ID so I would know). If you do not have this, then I think I would just call and say something like, "I got this strange sounding message and I wasn't sure whether it was you or not. Just in case, I thought I would check in and make sure everything is all right."

Unless of course the call came in at 4 in the morning and he was probably drunk...I've made (and taken) those calls and they are not usually worth the sleep deprivation!

Good luck!

coloradogrrrl
07-19-2007, 02:14 PM
It sounds as though this is consuming you a great deal, and I can't figure out why..
I'd just go ahead and ask him if it was him - and offer help if it was. I'm just puzzled - are you sure you are not hoping for a reconciliation? Otherwise, I just don't see what the fuss is all about.

Carazy
07-19-2007, 04:06 PM
DS, you seem like a pretty straight-forward person in general, so I suggest a straight-forward approach, if this bothers you so much:

Give him a call to say you were wondering if he was ok and if he goes "huh, why do you ask" - just tell him the truth about this strange interrupted call and that it seemed to sound like him and you simply were concerned. Because - despite any gratification your ego gets out of imagining him suffering at least a bit - I am pretty sure if it really came down to it you WOULDN't really want him to suffer ... - just the "fantasy" can be gratifying though. :p

so, imo follow your "good" heart. No double-bound messages or second-guessing ... just straight-forward without worrying what or what not he might think ;)

Too simple? :D

tinydancer
07-19-2007, 04:29 PM
Hey DS, I'm sure, after all of these years, that you know......... I HAVE NO IDEA what the correct thing to do is :confused:
What I would do?:p I would, probably, go out on a really nice date with the new guy. Next time, after that, when you are alone and feeling strong, call him and say whatever is in your heart to say....no matter what it is.
Maybe an ending, maybe a pre-curser to a real friendship.........who knows.
I know that you DS will let this fester if you don't.
OK, back to Jodeyland:confused:
Blessings, TD

kittylane
07-19-2007, 05:41 PM
i am not sure i really understand, you both sound like your hearts are not free to move on, is it possible there could be something left to try again? Life is so tough, even with the perfect person trials occur. even with the perfect person life is complicated and you know that much better than i ever will, i remember your story and your exhusband.

having mutual feelings is a miracle in itself, it sounds like you both really still care for each other, i dont know in what capacity but the feelings are still there.

maybe you should call and clear your side of the street, not to say you have done anything that needs clearing except for your rambling mind.

whatever you do, i wish you only the best.

princessdy
07-19-2007, 06:07 PM
I agree with Carazy. If this is on your mind, then make a quick call and find out what the heck ... and explain that regardless of where you both are in this situation, you wanted to check to see why you received a call such as you did from him.

Whenever I can't let a thought go in my mind, I find out why ... it doesn't make that much of a difference really if you call. You can always replace the "lines" after you've received your answer.

Additionally, I always felt in breakups that it was always a bit of a back and forth thing ... I found that each time I would "bend" a little, it was better in the end i.e. going forward quicker, discovering something new in the situation, etc.

I'm sure you will do the right thing ... My very best advice is always follow your heart.

Hugs,
princessdy

christina923
07-19-2007, 07:57 PM
call...

be the best you can be...i have no doubt that you will do the right thing.

and i also question if you two are "done"....

kat7
07-19-2007, 08:45 PM
I think he probably had a weak moment, (perhaps in pain because you are seeing someone new?) and aborted his message, realizing he couldn't pull it together at that moment.

I wouldn't embarrass him by calling personally. You have thought all along that the best thing to do would be to remain friends, but this may be a moment for him when he needs to withdraw and regroup. I don't know what you mean when you say he "more or less knows" you're seeing someone, but that says to me that perhaps the truth just hit him...maybe your friend told him something in a more blunt way than you did? I think you suspect he's in pain over you, and you're curious. I say, take the high road, and leave him alone.

Your friendship is out there, offered up. If he really needed you, he'd call you and leave a real message.

bubbleee
07-19-2007, 09:04 PM
I was going to say something along the lines of what Kat7 said but she beat me to the punch.

He called. He was flustered. He started to say something and then changed his mind. I get more of a sense of "what's the use" from how you related the message came out.

I'd let it alone, too, considering all you've said about the break up. If he has something he needs to say to you or needs you, he'll figure out how to say it or call you, as Kat said.

Rozie
07-19-2007, 09:25 PM
I wouldn't call him. If he really intended to talk with you, he would have regrouped and called you later. Maybe he will. But what is the point of putting him on the spot?

Baglady
07-19-2007, 11:48 PM
Here's a twist (I have an over active imagination so I'll apologize in advance):

He called to say that your friend was so grateful that the monitor helped her out in a pinch that she invited him out for dinner and drinks. One thing led to another and now they're a couple. He wants to let you know, but knew it was not the kind of message to leave on your answering machine. As he heard your voice on the recording he realized that it probably wasn't even something he should tell you over the phone.

Now he's sitting on the other end wondering what he should do next. Seeing you is going to be awkward, telling you might even hurt and he doesn't want to do anything that might jeopardize your relationship with your friend, but he believes it's not right to carry on without telling you. Right now he's wishing you'd call him so he can at least get a feel for which way is best to go.

I vote call. No matter what it is, keep it friendly.

Desert Spring
07-20-2007, 04:06 AM
Hi everyone:

It's fine. I figured out what to do :>

I called him to say hi and didn't mention the message. He said he was glad to hear from me and sounded more than relieved that it didn't come up. Mentioned he was kind've on the bummed out side and it was nice to hear my voice. So I made him laugh a little. It was actually nice and pretty relaxed, and I managed to both feel good about checking in and also good about not forcing the issue of whatever motivated the call.

Unless of course the call came in at 4 in the morning and he was probably drunk.

No, not at all. About 10pm - which is pretty early by our night owl standards. I wasn't even home yet.

Are you sure you are not hoping for a reconciliation? Otherwise, I just don't see what the fuss is all about.

Yeah, I'm sure I'm not. I love him dearly as a person and I always will, but we already tried reconciling and it didn't work. The fuss was about all the conflicting feelings that came up at once : both wanting to be a friend and needing to be an ex-girlfriend at the same time. It's not always easy when its been just a few months. And really hating the feeling that I was abandoning somebody I care about because I couldn't come to terms with my own feelings fast enough. That felt yucky.

Because - despite any gratification your ego gets out of imagining him suffering at least a bit - I am pretty sure if it really came down to it you WOULDN't really want him to suffer ... - just the "fantasy" can be gratifying though. so, imo follow your "good" heart. No double-bound messages or second-guessing ... just straight-forward without worrying what or what not he might think Too simple?

Yeah - apparently <grin>

You should know by now that I need to over complicate things and write a little book first :D

Call him and say whatever is in your heart to say....no matter what it is.

All that was really in my heart was that I was sorry if he was hurting. Partially because I care and partially because I've just been there because of him and I know it sucks. I managed the first and figured the second point had already been made a few times before (or a few million times before).

you both sound like your hearts are not free to move on, is it possible there could be something left to try again? Life is so tough, even with the perfect person trials occur. even with the perfect person life is complicated and you know that much better than i ever will, having mutual feelings is a miracle in itself, it sounds like you both really still care for each other, i dont know in what capacity but the feelings are still there.

Yeah, we had a miracle for a while, but it didn't last. There's lots of feelings and I suspect there always will be, but we're nowhere near the perfect person for each other anymore. The capacity is friendship and the rest of the feelings need to resolve themselves and they are. There's just an occasional moment of intense nostalgia for the love and the long time that we were perfect for each other. I have them at times, no reason he shouldn't too.
I want to say I understand, but that's the part we can't help each other with. Things are moving on, as they have to, but it doesn't mean there's not a little tailwind sometimes ....

I don't know what you mean when you say he "more or less knows" you're seeing someone, but that says to me that perhaps the truth just hit him...maybe your friend told him something in a more blunt way than you did? I think you suspect he's in pain over you, and you're curious. I say, take the high road, and leave him alone.

He knows because he asked me and I told him, in somewhat vague terms.

I saw my girlfriend tonight - we went to a concert. Actually E rather dislikes her and they wouldn't be inclined to have long conversations about anything - certainly not about me - and they didn't. She said the whole exchange was about 15 minutes and very perfunctory.

He called to say that your friend was so grateful that the monitor helped her out in a pinch that she invited him out for dinner and drinks. One thing led to another and now they're a couple. He wants to let you know, but knew it was not the kind of message to leave on your answering machine. As he heard your voice on the recording he realized that it probably wasn't even something he should tell you over the phone. Now he's sitting on the other end wondering what he should do next. Seeing you is going to be awkward, telling you might even hurt and he doesn't want to do anything that might jeopardize your relationship with your friend, but he believes it's not right to carry on without telling you. Right now he's wishing you'd call him so he can at least get a feel for which way is best to go.

That's just about the funniest thing I've ever heard. Thanks for the laugh :D

He really can't stand her and she would, as she's told me many many times, never touch anyone under 30 and thinks I was a loon to fall in love with him.
There aren't two people less likely to be a couple on the face of the earth.
I think they'd both rather scratch their faces off than have dinner together.
:tongue2:

tinydancer
07-20-2007, 06:49 AM
OK, you feel better, he feels better.....problem solved!
Glad to hear your doing better today.
Blessings, TD

SuzieQ71
07-20-2007, 07:26 AM
I'm glad it all worked out. That's really cool you guys can talk like that.... that would be hard for me I think....


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