Vick got too long a sentence!

I know of people who only got a month for dog fighting. He's a victim of his fame here. Really I know this won't be a popular view, but a) I don't believe that the connection between animal abuse and serial killers means that all people who abuse animals will eventually kill someone. (So much for inductive profiling.)

Also, our society makes legal all KINDS OF ANIMAL ABUSE! The difference? Big business is making bucks off ot it. (Think horses and premarin, cows and veal, etc.) I could go on, but really, it's just too sad that our society is going over board with the animal rights thing. We ignore so much with people and our pets get better treatment!

Just my .02 cents. I am a person who has pets, and they are people to me, but I don't expect anyone will get much time if they off one of them. Actually, a guy named Randall did that to me when I was 13, by deliberately running over him with a mini bike. Nothing happened to him, and he's got a job and a life, a good one I am told.

Ali

Hmmm, well, not many people get as many advantages as he did....the bigger they are, the harder they fall...and so on...
Maybe not every animal abuser becomes a serial killer but, all serial killers have been animal abusers early on.
Besides, I've yet to meet an animal abuser of that caliber who didn't abuse their families as well...
You knew I'd disagree here on this subject lol, but....I say Crucify the *******!

So, because most people get away with heinous treatment of non-human animals Michael Vick should too? He participated in and funded the kind of violent, degenerate behavior that prisons are built for, and his sentence sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/michael_mccann/12/10/vick/

The man didn't even have the sense to make a 'good' impression in court-perhaps if he'd dropped the 'gangsta' stance, managed to avoid getting toasted almost immediately after promising not to, etc. etc. etc.

The fact that he didn't get the death penalty means he didn't get a harsh enough sentence if you ask me.

He got too short a sentence IMO. Let's hope society starts cracking down on these monsters more often!

I really believe that, although we all live on this planet and the laws of nature are in full effect......cruelty to any living being should be, pretty much, treated the same across the board whether it is a child, dog/cat, elephant, etc....they all bleed and the ALL FEEL....some feel even more than us humans do.:(
I hope that this will act as a warning to all abusers but, since I believe, they are all very damaged life forms....I doubt it:(
Blessings, TD

I really believe that, although we all live on this planet and the laws of nature are in full effect......cruelty to any living being should be, pretty much, treated the same across the board whether it is a child, dog/cat, elephant, etc....they all bleed and the ALL FEEL....some feel even more than us humans do.:(
I hope that this will act as a warning to all abusers but, since I believe, they are all very damaged life forms....I doubt it:(
Blessings, TD

I couldn't agree more. I always say if someone can harm an innocent, helpless, trusting animal imagine what they can do to a human. What Vick did to those dogs is no different IMHO than someone doing that to a child...the punishment should be the same.

So, because most people get away with heinous treatment of non-human animals Michael Vick should too? He participated in and funded the kind of violent, degenerate behavior that prisons are built for, and his sentence sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/michael_mccann/12/10/vick/

The animal rights issues I'm speaking of with regard to treatment of animals used for food and medicines is heinous. And perfectly legal. I fume every time I think of it, but I do eat meat.

And wear leather!

Ali

Ummm, like I said....the "laws of nature" and your right....their methods ARE heinous......wish I could line them all up and shoot them!
I have no problem with taking a life, it is the methods that are disgusting and show no respect for other life on our earth and, imo, no self respect either:confused:
Blessings, TD

The animal rights issues I'm speaking of with regard to treatment of animals used for food and medicines is heinous. And perfectly legal. I fume every time I think of it, but I do eat meat.

And wear leather!

Ali
Then don't eat meat and don't wear leather. Or buy from responsible retailers and reward responsible and ethical business practices. Or lobby and protest and get involved so things might change. I'm not sure why Vick should get a lighter sentence because of this stuff. Would two wrongs make a right?

In the US, we strive for fair and equal treatment. A like crime gets a like sentence.

In the US, we strive for fair and equal treatment. A like crime gets a like sentence.
Well, that's an ideal that probably hasn't ever been reached in any area of the law. But it would be good if things could get to that point, obviously. So you've got two choices: see that one person gets away with something and let everyone get away with it, or do a better job of punishing all the people who behave in unacceptable ways. It seems like you're advocating the first option, which seems like the totally wrong way to go, to me.

If you want to change society's views about acceptable treatment of animals, you have to take obvious cases of animal cruelty like this seriously and punish them appropriately. Otherwise people are never even going to question practices that are currently legal.

This monster did not get anywhere near what he deserves. But maybe he will on the "inside" within the next 23 months.:yes:

In the US, we strive for fair and equal treatment. A like crime gets a like sentence.
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Since when:confused:
When will people realize there is not much "equal" or fair about our judicial system.
It makes for good quotes in newspapers though :rolleyes:

Amen Len!!!

Blessings to you, td....:)

Nope read more closely, I said *strive for* I know we have not reached it.

Ali

This monster did not get anywhere near what he deserves. But maybe he will on the "inside" within the next 23 months.:yes:

And, here's where I hope that every movie and TV dramatization of prison life I've ever seen comes true...

Or, maybe, just the fact that this guy threw away his "pretty boy life" will make him a target in prison.

Either way...karma is a real rough bedfellow. And, in this case, it puts a smile on my face. :D

Ah....hmmm,point taken.
Who's "striving" though???
Still say....looks good for show!
Wish it were true:confused:

Yup, Mishigas.....just hope his cellmate is not a football fan:rolleyes:

I just was hoping there would be some real dog lovers where he is going.:fight::fryingpan::rant:

Yup, Mishigas.....just hope his cellmate is not a football fan:rolleyes:

Oh, actually, I would hope that he is. For what Vick threw away for the Falcons....I would either hope that his cellmate is a rabid animal-lover or a life-long Falcons fan. :D

I'm saying my prayers :yes:

Seriously, what sort of pansy does it take to do this?

*gah* Federal prison will do him some good. And, hopefully, Bubba will get some nookie out of the deal too. ;)

He should have gotten far more months, and the fine should have been enough to really hurt his wallet. Here's hoping he gets it where he is going. Cruelty to animals has no place in this world.


Wendy

I don't know what kind of jail Vick will be serving his sentence in....I think justice would be better served if he spent the next 5 years or more diligently spreading the word about the horrors of dog fighting. There are a lot of people involved in this activity that would possibly listen to someone like Michael Vick, as well as school children.

And I agree, there are many horrors perpetrated against animals at least as heinous as dog fighting, by the meat and fashion and medical industries.

Do you really want the rule of the mob? Some of this intense anger directed at Vick is just that.

I don't want to live that way, but as a law abiding citizen. Soon, we'll have people pulling people who have driving accidents out of cars and beating them to death if they think that driver was at fault.

You may not think about it, but trust me, you do not want to live this way!

This attitude that people have today about others who do things they don't like is going to have some damaging repercussions to our freedoms. Because mob rule can be unjust.

Ali

Ali...do you watch the DC news where you live????
This countries entire judicial system, starting right here in this nation's capitol....has long since gone to hell in a hand basket!
No point really....just a fact.

This attitude that people have today about others who do things they don't like is going to have some damaging repercussions to our freedoms. Because mob rule can be unjust.

Ali

I have yet to see anything that would be classified as "mob rule" here.

It's one thing to talk generally about "freedoms". People glom onto that. But, care to elaborate and actually give credence to what you're saying here?

Yes Lb but do you were dog leather? do you eat dog?

IF its for food that is one thing BUT to train these animals the way they were trained and treated ungodly..I think it is very fair. When you are a celebrity you need to set the example for others...CHILDREN look up to him

Vick is a sociopath and got less than he deserved...but wait...what? State charges to be filed, too? OMG...I can't wait....especially till they start making dogfighting a predicate for RICO...

I luv the law...sometimes....

but mostly, I love it when THE PEOPLE get wind of Vick's form of personality disorder and raise a fuss! I know - I was one of the ones who did!

Animal rights laws will get changed...have no doubt. And it will be IN FAVOR OF THE ANIMALS.

Woof!

MW

When you change animal rights laws in favor of the animals, you have to say that you must change it for all animals! And depending on which particular group you belong to, that could ban owning pets altogether! And what about livestock. Horses, cows, pigs, animals that we normally slaughter for food? What is the impact of these laws? And how much money does it cost to enforce them, and what is the real GAIN?

I think it's time the department of pre-crime should close in the United States. A type three sociopath could be a type three because of their race or social class. That type of discrimination is illegal in the United States.

I think we've gone too far with the new "animals rights" thing and it should stop right now.

Ali

I can't tell you how ANIMAL RIGHTS will be changed, but they will. And just so you know...sociopaths can function quite well, quite often in society's graces. You know, like Vick did...like Ted Bundy did, for a while...but, see what happens, is - sooner or later - to quote a song "it all comes out on the inside, eventually". I think they actually WANT to get caught.

Well, we'll be waiting for ya!

Bye now!

MW

I was just wondering if you have a specific expertise in the field? Do you have a masters in psychology with a thesis on sociopathy, or were you a police profiler?

I think you misunderstood what I said?

Ali

I helped get the laws changed before, and I will again. I have my degrees, but good ole common sense, INTUITION, and the DSM-IV to prove myself right. Oh, and it is now called antisocial personality disorder, but I prefer SOCIOPATH...it just has that "ring of truth" to it.

People who abuse and murder animals are sick and should (and will) be put away. Because they always tend to escalate...because they "got away with it." Read the studies.

Vick aroused NATIONAL ATTENTION TO ANIMAL RIGHTS...so we got a default victory.

What are your degrees in, anyway?

Merrywidow :bgrin2:

I have to agree...We have certain animals we *eat* chicken fish, pork cow and so on. Dogs are known as *mans best friend* A companion if you will for some. Why would anyone want to support a man who abused that teaching them to fight and kill? What if one of those dogs got out lets say and attacked someone or a child? The dog kills that person or child? Then he would be up for murder. I mean think about it...Plain and simple: Vick was stupid and stupid is as stupid does...You do something wrong then pay the price. TO many people get away with crap.

Since he is a celebrity he is setting the example for the future young people who look up to him. What was he teaching them? To harm animals?? EEEK

Ummm, I am an "expert" of "profiling" animal abusers....have spoken, testified in a court of law several times, and written articles on the subject :yes:
For what it's worth :rolleyes:
Just something that I have studied, followed, and written about since the late 80's or so.
But really, what difference does it make :confused:

Ummm, I am an "expert" of "profiling" animal abusers....have spoken, testified in a court of law several times, and written articles on the subject :yes:
For what it's worth :rolleyes:
Just something that I have studied, followed, and written about since the late 80's or so.
But really, what difference does it make :confused:

Amen to that..abuse is abuse no matter how you slice it.

you lady. So before you violate all the posting rules by bashing me online, remember that all I did was ask you a valid question.

If that upsets you, perhaps I caught you in whopping lie.


Ali

Your question was actually snide and insinuated that I don't what I'm talking about. I certainly DO know what I'm talking about. I STUDY THE LAW and don't need to have a handle that merely "suggests" something legal

Vick fits ALL the criteria for sociopath - I'll stand by that. You can leave out the socioeconomic dabbling about degrees of sociopathy - that don't cut it in court, and you know it.

But I want to talk about SNITCHES. The delicious DOUBLE IRONY of Vick being snitched off by Purnell Peace and Quanis Phillips, which led, of course to his indictment and eventual guilty plea. But what did the snitching get for those two? Heh heh - Peace got 18 months and Phillips got 21. See how the universe disposes of its own evil? Like the snake eating his tail.

Now, what kind of treatment do you suppose the snitch jacket will get Peace and Phillips where they are going? Heh heh again. We'll see how Tony Taylor fares tomorrow.

I will remind you of libel and slander laws and "agencies" that handle those things re the Internet. You need to back off me for expressing my valid opinion.

See, SOCIOPATHS should go to jail when, as the universe wills it, they get caught. I take exception to your saying Vick deserved less time, and have so stated. There IS NO MITIGATION in Vick's case. And so the law has stated.

I note a little shake-up going on in this site. Hmmmm....wonder why that is? Oh yeah....Now I figured it out....

MWEEHAHAHAHAHAHA....

Merrywidow:bgrin2:

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Thank you.