"No fat chicks"

It amazes me that people are allowed to display this on shirts, bumpers, what have you.

I find it unbelievably offensive. And I'm not overweight or even chubby so this isn't about me. This is about men being allowed to degrade women in this horrible manner... but if calling it that, "men degrading women", somehow makes it less of a big deal, let's call it what it is -- bigotry.

Why is it perfectly okay to have display this message?

I don't get it. But until all women object, nothing will change.

It amazes me that people are allowed to display this on shirts, bumpers, what have you.

The word allowed strikes me as funny. I might not like what some people have to say, but I'm certainly not going to propose banning someone's t-shirt (or the words coming out of their mouth) just because I find it offensive. I actually consider it a benefit that so many jerks advertise as such. It's a time saver.

And I don't know that it's so degrading. Crude and obnoxious, sure. But would it degrade men if I had a shirt that said "no scrawny dudes"? That would be as pointless and rude as a "no fat chicks" shirt. But it doesn't actually say anything bad about scrawny dudes, just that I don't want them. Plenty of other women might, though. And men are certainly free to not think of themselves as some sort of demographic monolith that has been insulted in its entirety. Or they could just recognize that I'm the sort of idiot who would wear a rude t-shirt and decide that my opinion isn't important enough to get upset about.

Someone actually showed me this on their screen saver on their phone this weekend. I guess he thought i would find it funny , which i didn't. I asked him how would you feel if a had a screen saver that said no tall ugly skinny guys? He didn't get it .( p.s. no , i'm not a fat girl , but i am offended for those of us that are overweight that might not think it's funny either)

reminds me of a lesson I taught a few guys when I was in my 20s. I've probably mentioned it here before. After I gave birth to my son, I struggled with my weight. I probably weighed about 190 - not morbidly obese but I was certainly not thin. I looked like the thin girls' chubby friend, right? Anyway, I was with a group of coworkers - young women my own age and a bunch of guys who really pretty much looked right through me, ignoring everything I said and focused on the thinner girls. It was kind of embarrassing. Well. Funny how time works.

Seven months went by and I lost 70 lbs. There's a big difference between 190 and 120 lbs. I'd gotten a new job within the company in a different building. A bunch of these same guys had also gotten jobs at different times in an area near mine. I loved my new body and wore clothes to accentuate my assets (probably a little inappropriate for the office but not horrible). Every morning I would go to the cafeteria for a cup of coffee and an egg and every morning, these guys who, evidently didn't remember the 'before' me, would ogle me. It was embarrassing.

One day, this lady - an older, southern gal who often sat with these guys - caught up with me in the ladies' room and said, "Boy honey, those guys think you are one hot little number!" and, for some reason, something in me flashed bright red. I turned to her and said, "Oh, I'm sure they do! And do you know what? You can tell every single one of them that I may look like this on the outside but I am still the same me on the inside and I will NEVER forget how they treated me when I was overweight!"

She smiled and said, "I'd be delighted," before sauntering out.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Allowed/not allowed, having the right, doing us a favour by weeding them out... it's just wrong and, frankly, ignorant - I think that's something we can all agree on. I've found that the best way to change someone's attitude is to let them step in a big pile of dung and then figure out how they're going to clean up the mess they've made.

it's funny...i'm 23 and haven't been out of school too long. Most of the popular shapely people during those days i've caught up with or seen on myspace or wherever have let themselves go and some of the chubs have gotten themselves in shape. I think alot of it has to do with the college drinking/partying....

but i wouldn't get offended....i've been fat and i've been skinny, nowadays i'm muscular. I got in good shape because i got into bodybuilding, it isn't about being fat or skinny, like lots of people say its a lifestyle change, wake up everyday and get prepared for the gym....its just what i enjoy doing.

If i'd rather sit down and play video games and eat chips all day....thats what i'd do....it just turns out i like lifting heavy *** weights and running....maybe its because i've been fat, skinny, and muscular but i don't really care

a lot of peoples priorities and interests don't lie in physical exertion....if you don't want to go run 5 miles, and you'd rather do something else...then don't run 5 miles


Belisama...do you have before/after pics?

Well the ladies can always strike back with t-shirts and bumper stickers etc with "No fugly fat men"

Technically you are beating them by their own rules. :)

get outside the box ;)

And you know how me and Harrison feel on teh fat woman subject. :)

Belisama...do you have before/after pics?

No but I need to start taking some. Back then (with the story I told), I lost a LOT of weight but I did it unhealthily. I kept it off for a number of years but I did put it (and more) back on eventually. Not due to overeating though; my gain was due to a sedentary lifestyle, poor water intake, stress and sleep deprivation. When I moved to Chicago six months ago, I slowly but steadily began losing weight by making healthier choices and, even though I'm only halfway to my goal, the last time I felt this healthy was when I was a teenager!!

When I first moved here to Chicago, I could barely squeeze into a size 22 but a week ago, out of sheer desperation, I bought a new pair of jeans (and I do mean desperation - I only owned 1 pair of jeans when I got here and they were so big that, whenever I walked anywhere, they slid down below my butt :eek: ). The new size? I'm proud to report that I'm down to a very sexy size 15! Next stop? Size 9!! woohoo!

p.s. I should mention - no matter how skinny I get, I'm a girl with curves and boobs. I looked hideous as a size 5!

it's always nice to have curves and boobs

anyway, regardless of whether you're trying to lose weight or gain weight....nutrition is always the most important factor, some people try to overdo it in the gym and doing the cardio but if their diet sucks then they won't get the results they seek. I know lots of people have a hard time laying off what they wanna eat but i've been eating healthy since i was 18 or 19 and after a while you just get used to it.

I used to love big macs, krispy kreme, vanilla milkshakes from miccy dee's, fried fish, fried anything...but i haven't had any of that in like 5 years cept for some fried chicken here and there. Usually i'll peel majority of the skin off that tho

So I should take off the sticker I have that says "Save a self esteem, ram a bigot"?


Just kidding about the sticker....:rolleyes:

I'm amazed by how most people feel about being fat in the US. I really don't see any ugliness about being fat as long as it does not affect your health and you don't have to be in a wheel chair because you can't drag your fats with you. I find most overweight people are beautiful and carry their weight well. My husband often worries about his 8LB extra fats in his belly, he complains about it everyday, he overexcercises and eats very carefully. I love beef but get it most of the time when we eat out. We have been married 6+years we have eaten stakes at home about 5 times and he eats organic stakes only. What's the point of making stake dinner when you eat it all by yourself and your husband feeds himself on yogurt?

I'm not fat and I don't think I will ever get fat. Last month I lost 10LB without trying. I actually struggle to gain weight. I'm a big eater but I don't gain weight. I have so little fats in my body that I feel cold all the time and when I fall even the most fleshy part of my butt hurts because it does not have much cushion.
In my country 'you are fat' means you look healthy and happy. But ofcourse the fatest people there probably have 50lb extra at the most. When I fiirst came to America I did not know how negatively people view on being a fat and I told my colleague after not seeing her for a few months 'you look good have you gained some weight'. You should see how mad she was, she did not talk to me since then and I never had a chance to explain to her what I meant by my comment. I wish I knew better:o:mad0136:
Fats can do a lot of good stuff to the body. As long as it is good fat and it does not harm your health let it be in your body to cushion your butt.

At the same time, I dont mind people wearing a shirt' No fat chick' It only tells you what a person prefers. Letting people know what you prefer is totally fine, I actually like it that way better.

It's a form of racism. Not sure the -ism it is but without a doubt it is a way to subject a portion of society to subpar treatment and it should never be accepted, even by complacency to it.

What bothers me more is that most would never consider downplaying a shirt with a racial slur, but a shirt that says "No fat chicks" is fine for most. It involves the mistreatment of a group of people and it worries me how we devalue a heavyset woman (much like an older woman). :(

OOH I KNOW chaps my hide..ITS fine to say or think to yourself YOU dont like us *FAT CHICKS* however I do not think i am ugly I think I am a hottie..I don't look my age.

I remember seeing some IDIOT wearing this shirt at the lounge where i go to sing..he was standing next to me talking to me WHILE wearing this shirt!
So I am listening and he has the B*LLS to FLIRT!! So I said Sorry I cant talk to you..IM FAT...he paused said OH its just a joke..SO I said oh then may I should of wore MY shirt that says DON'T WANT NO SHORT D*CKED MAN....looked at his crotch laughed AND WALKED OFF...he left...an hour later he is back with a different shirt on ROFL


We fight ALL our lives to be what SOCIETY says we should be..OKAY I AM FAT! YEP you heard me FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT! I am happy I am in love he loves me I am B E A U T I F U L ..I am sexy and I feel GREAT!

so nah nah nah

LOL

It's a form of racism. Not sure the -ism it is but without a doubt it is a way to subject a portion of society to subpar treatment and it should never be accepted, even by complacency to it.

What bothers me more is that most would never consider downplaying a shirt with a racial slur, but a shirt that says "No fat chicks" is fine for most. It involves the mistreatment of a group of people and it worries me how we devalue a heavyset woman (much like an older woman). :(

Actually, I feel the same way about Confederate flags, racist nonsense, obnoxious political statements, etc. It could prompt me to make a snotty comment if I felt safe in doing so and it seemed to be worth my time for some reason, but I'm not going to try to prevent someone from saying what they want to say. My downstairs neighbor has a bumper sticker with Calvin peeing on the words "Illegal Immigrants." Now, the two of us could have a pretty heated debate about that subject, but I could really care less about what he wants to advertise on his truck. He isn't mistreating anyone as far as I know. It's just a sticker. I might think less of him as a result of it (and I do), but his right to state his opinion far outweighs anyone else's preference that they not be offended.

I grew up in a smallish town in Texas, so maybe I'm used to ignoring dumb rednecks. They mostly just want to provoke some kind of reaction and feel proud of themselves for being "politically incorrect." Choosing to ignore idiots and even to support their right to say what they want, even when it's offensive, isn't the same as condoning the substance of their message.


Edit: I took my dogs on a walk and was reminded that another neighbor has a sticker on her (presumably) car that says "Boys are stupid, throw rocks at them (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boys_are_stupid,_throw_rocks_at_them!)." That seems worse to me than "no fat chicks." It's aimed not primarily at adults, but at children, targets a gender as a whole rather than just overweight people (which is actually something that can be changed, unlike ethnicity, gender, or sexual orientation), and even advocates violence. But it's meant to be a joke, and nobody probably would have noticed a stupid joke by a crummy, plagiarizing "artist" if there hadn't been a big campaign to get it banned from stores. And I just remembered that I have seen that "no fat chicks" saying once, on The Family Guy, when Peter (who is very, very fat) was wearing a shirt with that on it. It was funny. And if I saw a fat guy (or some other guy who knows he's not god's gift to women) with that shirt on I'd laugh my *** off. I think the odds are probably higher that someone is wearing that shirt to be ironic than that they really feel the need to advertise that they don't like "fat chicks."

I am happy I am in love he loves me I am B E A U T I F U L ..I am sexy and I feel GREAT!

so nah nah nah

LOL


And thats what matters in the end.

Fat women can be sexy, it's all in a woman's attitude. :)

I identify with many people were of color in the past...resigned to society's crappy attitude on overweight people. It is not acceptable now to be a big *&% bigot but it seems acceptable for people to be jerks about the overweight.

I am overweight. I walked though for at least an hour a day. I am only missing my walk today because of a migraine I am battling. :(


I have had more than one man go for me that usually does not go for fat chicks since I carry my weight well (I am told) in all the right places, even though I have a stomach (which I can't stand).


For health reasons and to be treated like a REAL person, I am losing. I picture those people taunting me when I go for my walks and it helps me to walk faster.

I find it very sad and pitiful how awful, how denigrated we overweight people are treated. I have stories upon stories. You learn to deal with fat prejudice and you learn to have grace eventually and try to educate those who are open to it.

I have a condition called PCOS which my own endo told me "yes, that made you overweight" when I asked him. This is drill sgt of a doctor, who gets on me to exercise and eat right. My health is at stake. He is very honest. And I could explain insulin resistance, but I would go on and on. And I have already written a novel!

I wanted to add this thread is a good one. :thanks:

I identify with many people were of color in the past...resigned to society's crappy attitude on overweight people. It is not acceptable now to be a big *&% bigot but it seems acceptable for people to be jerks about the overweight.

I am overweight. I walked though for at least an hour a day. I am only missing my walk today because of a migraine I am battling. :(


I have had more than one man go for me that usually does not go for fat chicks since I carry my weight well (I am told) in all the right places, even though I have a stomach (which I can't stand).


For health reasons and to be treated like a REAL person, I am losing. I picture those people taunting me when I go for my walks and it helps me to walk faster.

I find it very sad and pitiful how awful, how denigrated we overweight people are treated. I have stories upon stories. You learn to deal with fat prejudice and you learn to have grace eventually and try to educate those who are open to it.

I have a condition called PCOS which my own endo told me "yes, that made you overweight" when I asked him. This is drill sgt of a doctor, who gets on me to exercise and eat right. My health is at stake. He is very honest. And I could explain insulin resistance, but I would go on and on. And I have already written a novel!

I wanted to add this thread is a good one. :thanks:


Glad you did. A lot of guys have assumed ideas about fat women. I still catch myself with them. But as a side thought I do find some to be very attractive so those assumptions don't seem to dominate me.

I have always said since my awareness of a slight fat woman attraction I have that I would date one again if given the right one takes interest in me and I genuinely return the interest.

Fat women for the most part are not what people think they are. Yes there are some who sadly fit the stereotype but for the most part they seem to have unique situations that may have dictated their health status.

Well the ladies can always strike back with t-shirts and bumper stickers etc with "No fugly fat men"

Technically you are beating them by their own rules. :)

get outside the box ;)

And you know how me and Harrison feel on teh fat woman subject. :)

no no DONT you know men are SENSItive about there privates..GO TO THE HEART OD IT...duhhhhhhhhhhhh LOL

ya ya...we know OH how i know how you and him love us big gals

*sings SHAKE YOUR BOOTYYYYYYYYYYY*

Why is it perfectly okay to have display this message?

Because it's legally protected free speech. It's the same law that allows you to publically declare you're offended by such displays of rude behavior :)

Because it's legally protected free speech. It's the same law that allows you to publically declare you're offended by such displays of rude behavior :)

Yes it is a double edged sword. Cuts both ways.

*Plays "I Like Big Butts" by Sir Mix Alot* :)

If I wore a shirt that said "No cheap men" I wonder how many men would be smiling.
Or worse, "no short men" or "no bald men" (that one with a smiling bald man with a circle around him and slash thru him). I would never though. But both are stero types men are sensitive about...and would hate seeing a shirt like that. Which is why the "no fat chicks" shirt is tasteless. As a "No small penises" would be even worse.

cuteguy, just curious what is "slightly fat" is to you.

Well the way I typed it I meant slight in terms of the amount attraction I have for fat women in comparison to other attractions I have for other women.

Most of my attraction to women is centered around women of other races than my own. Indian, Native American, Asian, Latina, Boriqua, South American, Black, etc.

Not always in that order. I have always leaned toward an interracial relationship. Dunno why.

My girlfriends and I pulled up beside a car with this sticker on it....so we wrote "no small dicks" on his windscreen in red lipstick......touche

My girlfriends and I pulled up beside a car with this sticker on it....so we wrote "no small dicks" on his windscreen in red lipstick......touche

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that is FAB girl! I LOVE IT..good on ya mate

I too would find such a t-shirt offensive and disrespectful. Although not a "chick" , I'm overweight, and it is unacceptable that overweigt people should be considered as less worthy in this way. It's as unacceptable as a t-shirt with text "no n i g g e r s" would be. Of course any man or woman has the right to choose not to date overweight persons, as well as not dating a person with black skin, but that's no reason for them to go public with their preferences by wearing t-shirts with offensive texts.
Also, texts like that are likekely to contribute to the spread of anorexia among young women. It would certainly not help the many overweight people like myself to come to terms with our problem.

And personally, I prefer ample, curvy females before very thin ones.

Yes it is a double edged sword. Cuts both ways.

It most certainly is.

But the fact remains it's a necessary law to allow free speech - and while it wasn't intended specifically to allow rude, offensive bumperstickers or t-shirts, alas it does.

With all good there comes some evil, unfortunately, and the very reason why I find lawmakers so ineffective with all their "patching" and "adjusting" of the original constitution with silly amendments. Generally speaking, they make a things worse.

The one POSITIVE thing about seeing a guy driving a car with such a bumper sticker is this - I know not to bother introducing myself :)

I guess I dont care what people decide to spend their money on and wear on their body to express their opinion.

Im not thin, I call myself fat though Ive been told that Im not fat, so fine mark me as chubby then. I dont know I just dont meet my own internal standard anything above it marks me as "fat" in my mind. So if I dont meet my own internal standard, then Im sure that I dont meet someone elses. So while I might not advertise my own dislike at being overweight, I mean, Im not walking around in a tshirt that says " being overweight pisses me off" or a tshirt that say " I loathe being overweight" or " I hate my fat butt", someone else might feel perfectly fine with advertising their same dislike.



So why hide from it? I mean I know that some guys out there will see me and think "fat chick", while other guys will see me and not think it. Who really cares? Why pretend that I am anything more or anything less for that matter? I use to have a tshirt that said "*itch Goddess" am I then going to be slammed by women who find the word *itch offensive to women? the parents out there who dont want their child reading my offensive shirt and the religious nuts out there who would take the offense that the word goddess implies something other than their god? I also when I was getting a divorce had a tshirt with a big fat cartoon spider that said "Black Widow, I eat my own mate", I and many others out there express our feelings with shirts or bumper stickers...so should I stifle myself because some people might feel offended or hurt? Or should I just do what I did, continue wearing those shirts and the one that said " If youre reading this, youre too close, mind your own business"

I said Sorry I cant talk to you..IM FAT...he paused said OH its just a joke..SO I said oh then may I should of wore MY shirt that says DON'T WANT NO SHORT D*CKED MAN....looked at his crotch laughed AND WALKED OFF...

ROFL... I swear we must be twins separated before conception!

Stupid doesn't realize they're stupid even when you tell them, so I don't waste my breath trying to explain why their chosen tshirt is uncool.

Hmmm, I wonder what they think about my tshirt that has a picture of a brain and says "Size Matters" ... I just realized I might be offending them...! D'oh!

ROFL... I swear we must be twins separated before conception!

Stupid doesn't realize they're stupid even when you tell them, so I don't waste my breath trying to explain why their chosen tshirt is uncool.

Hmmm, I wonder what they think about my tshirt that has a picture of a brain and says "Size Matters" ... I just realized I might be offending them...! D'oh!

lol I know

I see so many that are offensive..SOME are funny YES but then I think WOW ..i would be predjudice if I wore it!

Hi,

Well I also find t-shirts like that offensive. I am thin now but I used to be quite fat when I was in my teens and early adulthood. It was horrible to experience men ignoring you just because of your body shape and telling you "you have a lovely personality and a great sense of humor BUT do you think you could introduce me to your friend Sheila (not real name to protect the innocent :bgrin2:).

I remember once when I went on an excursion with school (5 day excursion mind you) we had those phones in our rooms where you could dial any internal number (other hotel room number) for free. So we kept dialing along for fun and obviously trying to meet people as you do at 18. So I started talking to this lovely guy and after a couple of days he said "why don't we meet by the pool, you sound so interesting".

I went to the pool. He told me what he would be wearing. I saw him coming. I was the only one by the pool. He walked towards me, saw me, did a U turn and left without exchanging a single word with me. He then told his friends I was the "fat, ugly chick" and when I rung his room again, his best mate answered and told me he had the address of Waitwatchers if I wanted to give it a go!

So, yeah, I'm all for freedom of speech and all that and we are not living in the middle ages or even in the 40s where they burned books (and people) and banned controversial poems. BUT people should bare in mind that perhaps some of these logos are offensive to some. I mean you wouldn't (normally-I hope) wear a t-shirt saying "No black men". You would be beaten up at best! Or "no pregnant women". How lame would that be???

Respect is something that you give yourself first and then to the world I think. These men have no respect for themselves. Because lets face it, it's really not that funny! They may tell others "it's just a t-shirt" but the written word is powerful and makes a statement to the world about your view point and beliefs. This is how others identify and build rapport with you. If the only thing that others know about you is that you are "not into fat women" then how limiting is that?

ayla

Respect is something that you give yourself first and then to the world I think. These men have no respect for themselves. Because lets face it, it's really not that funny! They may tell others "it's just a t-shirt" but the written word is powerful and makes a statement to the world about your view point and beliefs. This is how others identify and build rapport with you. If the only thing that others know about you is that you are "not into fat women" then how limiting is that?

ayla

Well, your experience at the hotel sucked big time.

But for the rest, it's a matter of opinion isnt it? Some people find it funny, some people wont and the people who wont find the shirt funny will avoid that guy and people who have similar taste in humor and opinion will point the shirt out and laugh and strike up a conversation and make a new friend. As for the respect well again thats opinion, he might be of the opinion that he has too much respect for himself to date a "fat chick." I have friends like that, and it makes you want to stick a stick of dynamite in their mouth but thats their opinion and they are entitled to it. Ive seen girls who wear the shirts that say "Save a horse ride a cowboy" what does that say about them? that theyre ****ty? or the shirts that say " come back after a few drinks" alcoholics? , or "must be this tall (image line) to ride" whorish?.. my brother for one has a shirt that says "tell your girlfriend, I said thanks" and believe me he is no pimp. lol

Yes theyre offensive but shirts like that are meant to be.

Hey,

You are probably right. I am carrying a major chip on my shoulder I suppose :bgrin2:

ayla

Hey,

You are probably right. I am carrying a major chip on my shoulder I suppose :bgrin2:

ayla

lol we all do, there are things that push my buttons too. Im like the poster who said, it saves time when they were shirts like that, you can weed out the undesirables. ;)

HAHAHAHAHA good one!!!!!!!

Well, your experience at the hotel sucked big time.

But for the rest, it's a matter of opinion isnt it? Some people find it funny, some people wont and the people who wont find the shirt funny will avoid that guy and people who have similar taste in humor and opinion will point the shirt out and laugh and strike up a conversation and make a new friend. As for the respect well again thats opinion, he might be of the opinion that he has too much respect for himself to date a "fat chick." I have friends like that, and it makes you want to stick a stick of dynamite in their mouth but thats their opinion and they are entitled to it. Ive seen girls who wear the shirts that say "Save a horse ride a cowboy" what does that say about them? that theyre ****ty? or the shirts that say " come back after a few drinks" alcoholics? , or "must be this tall (image line) to ride" whorish?.. my brother for one has a shirt that says "tell your girlfriend, I said thanks" and believe me he is no pimp. lol

Yes theyre offensive but shirts like that are meant to be.

My son says Tell your girlfriend I like how her mom does that thing with her tongue...SIGH..now even older women are going OH really at him LOL

stud he is but I could smack him LOL..

HE said HEY mom you should be pleased IM representing older women..I said WELL NOT LIKE THAT YA NOBHEAD..he just laughs LOL

people that usually "debate" and get angry about this usually are.....

I come from a culture where a few extra pounds will not prevent a man from enjoying booty. A sticker like "No fat chicks" will only cause comments of "Why not? Are you gay or what?"

On the other hand I wish I had a sticker like that to put on my refrigerator door. :rolleyes:

This is how others identify and build rapport with you. If the only thing that others know about you is that you are "not into fat women" then how limiting is that?

ayla

It's fairly limiting but of course it's their choice and your not liking it would be irrelevent to them. It's no different than any other preference - height, breast size, balding/not balding, ethnic origin, creed, hair color, career choice, class, etc.

If someone doesn't want to know you because you are/were of a specific category why do you care? Not fitting their "template" of what is "ideal" for them certainly doesn't make you inferior in any way.

I'm balding, and some women I've met aren't attracted to me because of it. I couldn't care less. The only impact to me for balding is I must wear a hat while outside.

people that usually "debate" and get angry about this usually are.....I am starting to notice this BIG TIME LOLOLOLOLOL

I come from a culture where a few extra pounds will not prevent a man from enjoying booty. A sticker like "No fat chicks" will only cause comments of "Why not? Are you gay or what?"

On the other hand I wish I had a sticker like that to put on my refrigerator door. :rolleyes:Well I am certain where you are from the women are not as BIG as in america

there is a difference between fat and thick...or having a little meat on the bones

people that usually "debate" and get angry about this usually are.....

ah yes and YOU speak from experience

and maybe JUST maybe WE get upset because we have had it SHOVED down our throats all our lives...

THANK god NOT all people can be superficial


and to ZORN...NOT all woman are FAT in AMERICA I have seen some FAT people in OTHER countries as WELL



ps love sees no AGE COLOR OR HOW THEY LOOK

people that usually "debate" and get angry about this usually are.....


Not that it should matter, but I'm not heavy at all. To me it's about all women.

Actually it bugs me in general that very often people don't get angry on others' behalfs.

What is the point of this post anyway? If the OP (that's me) were heavy it would somehow be less relevant?

And in case anyone was wondering, when I said "allowed" I meant "socially acceptable." I'm not interested in censorship on any sort of official level.

Hi,

By the way, Greek women like bald men. Most guys here when they see a slight "retreat" in their hair line shave it off. It has become something of a trend and most girls REALLY like it.

Just a thought.

:D

Actually it bugs me in general that very often people don't get angry on others' behalfs.


^^ agree 100%

What irritates me the most is that while I understand that it's freedom of speech (and I'm surely not suggesting that it should be eliminated) it comes at the cost of a heavyset person's right to a peaceful pursuit of happiness due to substandard treatment.

And it's not the shirt that gets to me when I really think about it. It's the mentality of the person behind the shirt and unemotional attachment of the reactions from people when faced with this knowledge.

You'd think it would tick people off to know that a whole section of society feels this way and really makes me wonder what some others have gone through.

I do think, as suggested early, it's one of the last areas of society where it is not taboo to insult, degrade, mistreat, and ignore members within it. In fact, it's often encouraged and downplayed.

Great post, Angel!

^^ agree 100%

What irritates me the most is that while I understand that it's freedom of speech (and I'm surely not suggesting that it should be eliminated) it comes at the cost of a heavyset person's right to a peaceful pursuit of happiness due to substandard treatment.

And it's not the shirt that gets to me when I really think about it. It's the mentality of the person behind the shirt and unemotional attachment of the reactions from people when faced with this knowledge.

You'd think it would tick people off to know that a whole section of society feels this way and really makes me wonder what some others have gone through.

I do think, as suggested early, it's one of the last areas of society where it is not taboo to insult, degrade, mistreat, and ignore members within it. In fact, it's often encouraged and downplayed.

I am agreeing with you on this

It does have to do with the mentality of the person and how much respect that have for others....NOW saying okay I like fat chicks or I dont thats OKAY...but I have seen some pretty degrading shirts...YES some are funny..however with so much negativity and predjudice we all experience..this would be like wearing I say no to black/white/yellow and so on people...

Plain and simple if you DONT like a certain size I am okay with that...however when WEARING a tshirt use some class
Maybe there would be less *fatchicks* if society would not make us all feel like we are trash and garbage*..

NOW I am not HUGE however at one time I was a GIANT...yep I was 400 lbs CLOSE TO IT...I have lost almost 200 lbs total...without any help...I have seen this shirt and I do sometimes want to go up to someone and say something

but I just shake my head most days and realize ..ya its their choice...but do we really need to advertise..HEY I LIKE THIN CHICKS...OR hey this or that...

I am sure men would not want us wearing a shirt that said HEY NO PENCIL WEEWEES....and I see more men wearing them then women

^^ agree 100%

What irritates me the most is that while I understand that it's freedom of speech (and I'm surely not suggesting that it should be eliminated) it comes at the cost of a heavyset person's right to a peaceful pursuit of happiness due to substandard treatment.

And it's not the shirt that gets to me when I really think about it. It's the mentality of the person behind the shirt and unemotional attachment of the reactions from people when faced with this knowledge.

You'd think it would tick people off to know that a whole section of society feels this way and really makes me wonder what some others have gone through.

I do think, as suggested early, it's one of the last areas of society where it is not taboo to insult, degrade, mistreat, and ignore members within it. In fact, it's often encouraged and downplayed.

Amen Angel!~ If somebody wore a shirt saying "No colored chicks" he would be a social outcast, considered a bigot. But if he wears a "no fat chicks" shirt, it does not seem to be considered as lower class behavior.

Freedom of expression is fine but a person is accountable for their actions. For some reason, fat guys are the ones that has given me the most grief about being fat. And I get appreciate comments usually from good-looking fit guys (construction sites/yelling out at me from a car when I am walking). I don't know why, but my fat seems to offend the overweight guys the most. The thin ones and the fit ones do not usually feel they have to denigrate me.

Amen Angel!~ If somebody wore a shirt saying "No colored chicks" he would be a social outcast, considered a bigot. But if he wears a "no fat chicks" shirt, it does not seem to be considered as lower class behavior.

Freedom of expression is fine but a person is accountable for their actions. For some reason, fat guys are the ones that has given me the most grief about being fat. And I get appreciate comments usually from good-looking fit guys (construction sites/yelling out at me from a car when I am walking). I don't know why, but my fat seems to offend the overweight guys the most. The thin ones and the fit ones do not usually feel they have to denigrate me.

JUst like the moron who said to me..I Hope you realize your fat...I SAID..OMG OMG..YOU SERIOUS?????? and ALL this time I thought I had some disease that was MAKING me fat...WOW had you NOT told me I would have NEVER known..THANK YOU oooooH THANK YOU...hugged him and walked off..the Moron just stood there..MOUTH hanging opening not saying a WORD

What cracks me up the most is that, usually, the men who wear t-shirts like that are NOT what most women would look twice at anyway :rolleyes:
I mean seriously.....have you ever seen a really good looking man who has his ducks in a row, makes a great income, educated, etc....wearing garbage like that on their clothing???;)

What cracks me up the most is that, usually, the men who wear t-shirts like that are NOT what most women would look twice at anyway :rolleyes:
I mean seriously.....have you ever seen a really good looking man who has his ducks in a row, makes a great income, educated, etc....wearing garbage like that on their clothing???;)

LOL not really!

its normally the ones who are insecure about their privates and thinking they are hot...SIGH...I just laugh at them because they have NOOOOO clue..:no:

Amen Angel!~ If somebody wore a shirt saying "No colored chicks" he would be a social outcast, considered a bigot. But if he wears a "no fat chicks" shirt, it does not seem to be considered as lower class behavior.

Freedom of expression is fine but a person is accountable for their actions. For some reason, fat guys are the ones that has given me the most grief about being fat. And I get appreciate comments usually from good-looking fit guys (construction sites/yelling out at me from a car when I am walking). I don't know why, but my fat seems to offend the overweight guys the most. The thin ones and the fit ones do not usually feel they have to denigrate me.

It's hypocracy at it's finest. As for the "No colored chicks" shirt. If it actually existed I'd want to punch the guy in the face for wearing it. That would make my blood boil. I know I'm not totally a cracker and d*** proud of it. :)

I like some color in my lady's skin. :yes:

JUst like the moron who said to me..I Hope you realize your fat...I SAID..OMG OMG..YOU SERIOUS?????? and ALL this time I thought I had some disease that was MAKING me fat...WOW had you NOT told me I would have NEVER known..THANK YOU oooooH THANK YOU...hugged him and walked off..the Moron just stood there..MOUTH hanging opening not saying a WORD

The funny part is it sounds like he thought you were for real.

What cracks me up the most is that, usually, the men who wear t-shirts like that are NOT what most women would look twice at anyway :rolleyes:
I mean seriously.....have you ever seen a really good looking man who has his ducks in a row, makes a great income, educated, etc....wearing garbage like that on their clothing???;)

LOL not really!

its normally the ones who are insecure about their privates and thinking they are hot...SIGH...I just laugh at them because they have NOOOOO clue..:no:


Nice rip at them. :)

I only own the following shirts that say the following things

"The Man The Myth The Legend"

"Welcome to the 'gun' show"

As TD said, such a T-shirt would be a sign of low class and low IQ. So to me, a guy that wears a "No Fat Chicks" T-shirt might as well be wearing an "I Pick my nose" T-shirt.

I agree, it is usually men who are insecure in themselves that wear that kind of shirt.


Confident men don't need to resort to that kind of stuff.

As TD said, such a T-shirt would be a sign of low class and low IQ. So to me, a guy that wears a "No Fat Chicks" T-shirt might as well be wearing an "I Pick my nose" T-shirt.

LMAO! I AGREE




cute guy...I love the shirt that says IM huge in *insert country here*
your shirts are great!...

You'd think it would tick people off to know that a whole section of society feels this way and really makes me wonder what some others have gone through.

The problem is most of us (us being human, in the generic sense) who raise flags and yell in support of a cause - any cause - do so only after we experience the impact ourselves. It is truly rare (statistically) for those not impacted by "X" to stand at the front line supporting "X", whatever "X" is.

American history (women's rights, black rights, gay rights) supports this as does history from other nations throughout the test of time.

Reality is such that we can argue, debate, mince words and create all the legislation we want and the result will be barely measurable.

The solution to these kind of societal problems starts with us as parents - teaching our children to respect others and focus more on our similarities rather than outcasting others for their differences. My son is three and "gets" this. I made sure of it.

But it's important to realize being treated with respect and having equal opportunity to be considered "ideal" or "attractive" would be unfair, since all of us have our preferences and we are absolutely entitled to maintain those if we choose - regardless how limiting - and NONE of us have the right to impose our "category" onto another.

It *is* a two way street of course.

I mean seriously.....have you ever seen a really good looking man who has his ducks in a row, makes a great income, educated, etc....wearing garbage like that on their clothing???

oh, no no no, of course not. how declassé! such disdain is reserved for internet dating sites. except it's couched in terms like 'HWP, must be into fitness, i like women with an athletic body', etc., ad nausem, which is effectively saying 'no fat chicks'. a lot of men aren't attracted to fat women; they just don't advertise it.

Sigh, I guess I fall under the uncaring category that doesnt get angry on the behalf of other people. Im more of "If you dont like it..dont read it" group. Honestly Im so sick of the whole being politically correct mess that it's refreshing to have an honest conversation with people who dont have a problem telling you what they really think. Diversity is great, even the crappy bits, the shirts out there might offend others but for my part I think it's great. I think we all had this conversation at one point with Harrison when the "beaner" shirts were mentioned. I said I had no problem with them, hell I had one at one point and one that said "got rice?' while others found it offensive. To each their own, if its offensive dont buy it and dont look at it because let me tell you if anyone came up to me and told me that they found my shirt offensive, I would have no problem telling them how they should mind their own business and where they can put their feelings regarding something that I chose express myself with.

Kind of like those ladies with the stirrup pants, theyre ugly and gross and while they dont offend people with anything political they offend my sense of sight damn it. lol

Anyways, I get where youre all coming from but to me it's a simple matter of choice. The whole PC thing, well it makes my skin crawl at this point..too many sensitive people out there, has made me..a usually quiet person, speak my mind from time to time. Like now lol.

Sigh, I guess I fall under the uncaring category that doesnt get angry on the behalf of other people. Im more of "If you dont like it..dont read it" group. Honestly Im so sick of the whole being politically correct mess that it's refreshing to have an honest conversation with people who dont have a problem telling you what they really think.

That's why she loves me so much, I just give it to her straight...no in between with me!!! :no:

Not that it should matter, but I'm not heavy at all. To me it's about all women.

Actually it bugs me in general that very often people don't get angry on others' behalfs.

What is the point of this post anyway? If the OP (that's me) were heavy it would somehow be less relevant?

And in case anyone was wondering, when I said "allowed" I meant "socially acceptable." I'm not interested in censorship on any sort of official level.great post!!!:)

funny I was just labeled as having a certain body part just for pointing out a certain posters contradiction in another thread here.....add to that that same poster agreed with this post of yours LOL

Funny how people can't speak up about anything these days without having someone with nothing better to say then "people that debate about this subject...fall under the category of it" . If so then I must be poor, short, a minority etc etc for speaking in any topic concerning those huh?

That's why she loves me so much, I just give it to her straight...no in between with me!!! :no:

yup! Gotta love a straight talking girl. :yes:

To each their own, if its offensive dont buy it and dont look at it because let me tell you if anyone came up to me and told me that they found my shirt offensive, I would have no problem telling them how they should mind their own business and where they can put their feelings regarding something that I chose express myself with.

While I respect your right to wear whatever you choose, and also your right to tell people to mind their own business, I also respect the rights of those that feel the need to point out something that is offensive.

I calmly and politely informed a woman in a grocery store a few years ago, that she had a very poor sense of taste and judgment. I also told her I felt she was irresponsible considering she was wearing her offensive T-shirt in a place of business where there were many small children (one of them being my youngest son). The shirt read "Silly faggot, dicks are for chicks"

She was toting a few little ones with her as well, and frankly, I was appalled and could not bear biting my lip.
She did not take my comments well, and began nastily spouting back about how much she hates "fags" and she will proudly wear her shirt wherever she chooses.
I told her she would be better off wearing a shirt that said "Im an ignorant bigot that teaches my children how to hate. If you're going to be PROUD of such a thing, you might as well spell it out clearly, so there is no room for confusion, right?" :yes:

While I respect your right to wear whatever you choose, and also your right to tell people to mind their own business, I also respect the rights of those that feel the need to point out something that is offensive.

I calmly and politely informed a woman in a grocery store a few years ago, that she had a very poor sense of taste and judgment. I also told her I felt she was irresponsible considering she was wearing her offensive T-shirt in a place of business where there were many small children (one of them being my youngest son). The shirt read "Silly faggot, dicks are for chicks"

She was toting a few little ones with her as well, and frankly, I was appalled and could not bear biting my lip.
She did not take my comments well, and began nastily spouting back about how much she hates "fags" and she will proudly wear her shirt wherever she chooses.
I told her she would be better off wearing a shirt that said "Im an ignorant bigot that teaches my children how to hate. If you're going to be PROUD of such a thing, you might as well spell it out clearly, so there is no room for confusion, right?" :yes:

I can see how that shirt might offend some people and again others would agree with the sentiment of silly faggot dicks are for chicks.

It's all a matter of preference and opinion. What is offensive to some wont be to others, What someone finds amusing some people might find down right rude and crude. We cannot impose our sentiment on others no matter how offensive you find it. Its censorship, its trying to suppress free speech and to me those are things more important than someone feelings over a shirt. I will protect that even when it's something that I find offensive. If some redneck wants to wear a tshirt that says Beaners go home, I will be the first to stand up and protect his right to wear that shirt even though Im mexican because I refuse to start censoring free speech. It might seem like the right thing to do, censor hate, censor bigotry because those things are wrong but who decides what is hate? what is bigotry? what is right? what is wrong? I refuse to give someone else the right to decide for me. The worst things can come out of good intentions and censorship would be one of those worst things because if we start down that road when does it stop?

Honestly, there are too many things going on in everyday life that are more important to get worried about than what some shirt that some numbnuts choose to wear.

Martin Luther King Jr. said "bad things happen when good people do nothing"

That is all I'm going to say on this or any other related freedom of expression thread/forum.

Sigh, I guess I fall under the uncaring category that doesnt get angry on the behalf of other people. Im more of "If you dont like it..dont read it" group. Honestly Im so sick of the whole being politically correct mess that it's refreshing to have an honest conversation with people who dont have a problem telling you what they really think. Diversity is great, even the crappy bits, the shirts out there might offend others but for my part I think it's great. I think we all had this conversation at one point with Harrison when the "beaner" shirts were mentioned. I said I had no problem with them, hell I had one at one point and one that said "got rice?' while others found it offensive. To each their own, if its offensive dont buy it and dont look at it because let me tell you if anyone came up to me and told me that they found my shirt offensive, I would have no problem telling them how they should mind their own business and where they can put their feelings regarding something that I chose express myself with.

Kind of like those ladies with the stirrup pants, theyre ugly and gross and while they dont offend people with anything political they offend my sense of sight damn it. lol

Anyways, I get where youre all coming from but to me it's a simple matter of choice. The whole PC thing, well it makes my skin crawl at this point..too many sensitive people out there, has made me..a usually quiet person, speak my mind from time to time. Like now lol.LOL ok your whole mumbo jumbo about being not being PC stuff is extremely entertaining. If you are sick of it and based on what I saw in another thread you are pro-state-your preference then why do you get mad when your friend/s told you what they like?


I have friends like that, and it makes you want to stick a stick of dynamite in their mouth but thats their opinion and they are entitled to it. Ive seen girls who wear the shirts that say "Save a horse ride a cowboy" what does that say about them? that theyre ****ty? or the shirts that say " come back after a few drinks" alcoholics? , or "must be this tall (image line) to ride" whorish?.. my brother for one has a shirt that says "tell your girlfriend, I said thanks" and believe me he is no pimp. lol

stick a dynamite in their mouth for not being PC??

What cracks me up the most is that, usually, the men who wear t-shirts like that are NOT what most women would look twice at anyway :rolleyes:
I mean seriously.....have you ever seen a really good looking man who has his ducks in a row, makes a great income, educated, etc....wearing garbage like that on their clothing???;)you don't see a good looking man who has his "ducks in a row", makes a great income, educated, etc with a fat chick anyway so what does it matter?

LOL ok your whole mumbo jumbo about being not being PC stuff is extremely entertaining. If you are sick of it and based on what I saw in another thread you are pro-state-your preference then why do you get mad when your friend/s told you what they like?



stick a dynamite in their mouth for not being PC??

You miss the point, I might not like it, I might ithink its insulting and offending but they have the right to say it. I have no problem laughing and telling him Chase youre a f ing pig because he's my friend. I dont have to like what he says but he has the right to say it. As for the rest, Im not going to go up to people who wear shirts or who say things that I dont agree with and tell them that theyre f ing pigs because I dont know them and it doesnt matter, thats how they feel and how they feel has nothing to do with me.

I dont get mad, I might raise an eyebrow like I said in the dynamite quote that you quoted....


it makes you want to stick a stick of dynamite in their mouth but thats their opinion and they are entitled to it.

They have the right to say it, I have the right to get offended, what I dont have the right to do is go up to them and try to impose my thoughts and beliefs or perceptions or opinions on another person verbally when they are not in direct conversation with me.

If you dont like the shirt get your own shirt, that says Bigots Need to be SHot or more simply

Opinions on T shirts Suck.

you don't see a good looking man who has his "ducks in a row", makes a great income, educated, etc with a fat chick anyway so what does it matter?

I have...and even had kids with them (can you believe it?)

Martin Luther King Jr. said "bad things happen when good people do nothing"

That is all I'm going to say on this or any other related freedom of expression thread/forum.

And it's a good thing that his right to free speech was protected otherwise we would now be saying Martin Luther who?

you don't see a good looking man who has his "ducks in a row", makes a great income, educated, etc with a fat chick anyway so what does it matter?

Um YES you do...maybe IN YOUR little EDGE of the world...and I realize YOUR upset OVER a certain thread BUT why bring THAT up in this thread?

So Shall I say you dont see fat chicks with a small man..NO
AND My man Is good looking...EDUCATED AND makes a darn good income and guess what...YEP he is with a FAT chick

OHHH and MY FATHER who was VERY educated AND made AWESOME money...yes GOOD LOOKING..was married toa fat chick for 20 some years
AND so was my grandfather...SO YOUR theory is SHOT out of the water.

I would suggest turning off Entertainment tonight and step away from the *hollywood* world and look in the REAL

world

IF you dont like us fat chicks COOL more power to you
If i Like *bigger men* cool..more power to me.....ITS A CHOICE

BUT you do not see me advertising it do you on a shirt OR on a bumpersticker...NO

you don't see a good looking man who has his "ducks in a row", makes a great income, educated, etc with a fat chick anyway so what does it matter?

WRONG!!

and here's the proof:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/05/27/article-1022215-01649F8800000578-135_468x335.jpg

pierce brosnan and his beautiful wife keely shaye-smith.

you may now return to choking your chicken, zorn.:bgrin2:

WRONG!!

and here's the proof:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/05/27/article-1022215-01649F8800000578-135_468x335.jpg

pierce brosnan and his beautiful wife keely shaye-smith.

you may now return to choking your chicken, zorn.:bgrin2:

SEE I said the same thing!
WELL SAID...and tell you what...there are MANY more to:)

WRONG!!

and here's the proof:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/05/27/article-1022215-01649F8800000578-135_468x335.jpg

pierce brosnan and his beautiful wife keely shaye-smith.

you may now return to choking your chicken, zorn.:bgrin2:lol was she slim when they first got married? I understand that he does have like 3 or so kids

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/01_03/keely1901_468x657.jpg
This is her before they got married. Anyways, I do not think that is the point.

To me the point is that yes, we may have freedom of expression, but do people have such small spirits that in order to feel better they have to make others feel bad?

Emme and Phil Aronson...

Emme is a plus size model...190 lbs. He is not fat, successful and I think he is fairly good-looking. She made it one year in People's 50 most beautiful people issues. She is gorgeous...and she is over 40 now. :)

http://www.mhanj.org/images/2006_EOE_website/emme_phil_aronson.jpg

And here is Mo'Nique and her husband Sidney Hicks. He is pretty hawt I think myself and she is "fatter" than me...I am a size 18-20 and 5'7", she is a size 18-20 and 5'2", same size but shorter than me... :o

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/043f4q9bu613j/340x.jpg

I can see how that shirt might offend some people and again others would agree with the sentiment of silly faggot dicks are for chicks.

It's all a matter of preference and opinion. What is offensive to some wont be to others, What someone finds amusing some people might find down right rude and crude. We cannot impose our sentiment on others no matter how offensive you find it. Its censorship, its trying to suppress free speech and to me those are things more important than someone feelings over a shirt. I will protect that even when it's something that I find offensive. If some redneck wants to wear a tshirt that says Beaners go home, I will be the first to stand up and protect his right to wear that shirt even though Im mexican because I refuse to start censoring free speech. It might seem like the right thing to do, censor hate, censor bigotry because those things are wrong but who decides what is hate? what is bigotry? what is right? what is wrong? I refuse to give someone else the right to decide for me. The worst things can come out of good intentions and censorship would be one of those worst things because if we start down that road when does it stop?

Honestly, there are too many things going on in everyday life that are more important to get worried about than what some shirt that some numbnuts choose to wear.

I don't think anyone is actually suggesting censorship? People are expressing an opinion... that they think these kind of t-shirts are out of line. I guess the point is that it's really kind of sad that there is a large number of people out there who couldn't give a toss who they insult as they go about their lives.

It's easy to say "don't worry about it, they're only idiots anyway", but when you feel like there is something about you physically that is unattractive, when you're low in confidence because of it, when you have little self esteem, it is not that easy. We tend to forget that not everyone is as mentally strong as (perhaps) we personally are.

This anti-PC stuff winds me up the wrong way sometimes, it can seem like it's just a way of saying "I don't want to have to think about who I might insult". It seems like a way of pushing the blame onto someone else, it now becomes THEIR fault that they're being offended. No-one wants to think about it, no-on wants to care, and god forbid they might actually be responsible for something... anything!

Kathy Najimy and Dan Finnerty. Both are into acting. She met him at a party she gave. She is the OW being born in 1957 and him in 1970. She actually has maybe lost some weight in recent years...but was much bigger upon marrying him, I remember.

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I am puzzled and perplexed how being offended by a lame o t-shirt that says "No fat chicks" is not allowing people free speech...or going down that slippery slope of that? I don't say anything to them, I just avoid them. I actually have been razzed by some of those types. They are free to think I am fat and to express that to me just as I am free to say back in retailation "I hope you get the help you need" to the last one who did that a month ago to me. (why he had to make fun of me being fat? I don't know...it's not even like I am a 400 pounder or something geez)


I am also perplexed why some adult men have this need to tear down a fat chick? I just live my life as they do theirs.


Free speech does mean...


We are both able to express ourselves! Him with "no fat chicks"
and me to walk on by and ignore him or tell him off if he chooses to razz me.

Sad though if he can not live and live, isn't it. Okay finally done here...going to take my hour long walk I do once a day...

I am puzzled and perplexed how being offended by a lame o t-shirt that says "No fat chicks" is not allowing people free speech...or going down that slippery slope of that? I don't say anything to them, I just avoid them. I actually have been razzed by some of those types. They are free to think I am fat and to express that to me just as I am free to say back in retaliation "I hope you get the help you need" to the last one who did that a month ago to me. (why he had to make fun of me being fat? I don't know...it's not even like I am a 400 pounder or something geez)


I am also perplexed why some adult men have this need to tear down a fat chick? I just live my life as they do theirs.


Free speech does mean...


We are both able to express ourselves! Him with "no fat chicks"
and me to walk on by and ignore him or tell him off if he chooses to razz me.

Sad though if he can not live and live, isn't it. Okay finally done here...going to take my hour long walk I do once a day...

I have to agree...If you don't like fat chicks WELL good for you..I don't like arrogant men who think they have it going on when really they don't LOL

I agree with you here on this..

If you don't like me OH WELL..YOUR not the one who has to sleep with me..cuddle with me...love me for who I am..Kai thinks I am VERY sexy and that is ALL that matters

I have had to fight weight since I was a little girl..I don't go to McDonald's maybe 1 every 2 or 3 months..I eat fruit..veggies..fish chicken..I don't fry it..I walk I work out...BUT guess what..I am still overweight..AM I going to starve myself to look like those thin women on the beach..NO ..I did that once and let me tell you..I ate dexatrim like it was candy...barfed after eating..ALL because I had a boyfriend who said 145 at 5 foot 9 was wayyyyy to fat
I went done to 105 lbs and looked sooooooo sick...I was 17

So to those men who CHOOSE to sit and slam a person who is fat...Please stop it..we already are beating ourselves up trying to loose it and we sure don't need society and others to tell us we need to loose it...

I love who I am I love how I look..I feel healthy and AM healthy..

To each his own..you like what you like I like what I like however why advertise and look like a donkeys tushy

Add me to the mix of another fat chick who has been with a man that is educated, attractive and had his "ducks in a row"

My ex husband was a nuclear engineer, and by no means ugly

and uh, have you seen the hot muffin Im married to now? lol

Im fat. and what do you know? good looking guys dig me. the blasphemy! ;)

I'm 5'6" and about 190 lbs. That makes me a size 16 on average. When I met Jeremy, I was about 150 lbs. By no means skinny. I had a belly pooch, wobbly arms, cellulite and thighs that rubbed together.

He was 6'2" and 165 lbs. Really skinny.

He's handsome, smart and has a good job - on the fast track to going somewhere. Definitely has "got it together."

And he's still with me. :rolleyes:

Free speech is a great thing. It's a human right.

But what about when that free speech incites hatred or encourages prejudice?

What about the "fat chicks" right to being treated equally and live in peace, with the right to pursue happiness?

Being fat is the last unprotected group who can be discriminated against and treated unfairly because of how they look.

Humans see fatness as being a sign of lazyiness and lack of self control, when there are many overweight people who are fat because of reasons beyond their control.

Even if it were controlable, does it make it OK for fat people to be harrassed, abused, discriminated against, pre-judged, etc? Who makes the rules when it is OK to treat people poorly?

Would everyone be OK if the t-shirt said "No Black Chicks"? "No Asian Men?" "No Flat-Chested Chicks?"

There is a REASON that some speech is suppressed, discouraged or protested. Speech that incites hatred and prejudice is not tolerated by most of society.

Everytime you see the KKK out showing their right to free speech, you will see protests to their message of hatred.

"No fat chicks" is no less full of hatred, discrimination, incitefullness and prejudice against an innocent person as "No blacks allowed."

But what about when that free speech incites hatred or encourages prejudice?

I'm not sure about the US, but incitement IS illegal in countries like the UK. There have been muslim clerics who have gone to court/been deported because they were inciting people into terrorist activities. Just the one example that is fairly recent and comes to mind, it would also get you in trouble if you incited a riot but didn't take part in it. The instigator has to be at fault, right? It's about intention.

What about the "fat chicks" right to being treated equally and live in peace, with the right to pursue happiness?

I think it's difficult, as Truckman has pointed out, there are bad points that come with free speech. I think you have a right to express an opinion, but once you're promoting the harm of certain groups or property it becomes a bit different. That's where incitement laws come in. Taking away peoples ability to express an opinion would be starting on a slippery slope.

But, I think it's fair enough if you make this kind of thing morally unacceptable.

Being fat is the last unprotected group who can be discriminated against and treated unfairly because of how they look.

Disagree. People are treated badly if they are bald, if they are overly hairy or any number of things. "No hairy men" on a t-shirt could be upsetting to a number of people in the same way as a "no hairy chicks" t-shirt.

Men and women are discriminated against in job interviews if they are not deemed attractive sometimes.

"No fat chicks" is no less full of hatred, discrimination, incitefullness and prejudice against an innocent person as "No blacks allowed."

If it means refusing someone entry, then yes. If you're comparing someones opinion with refusing entry, then it's not the same. Could a guy wear a "no black women" t-shirt without being arrested?

If it means refusing someone entry, then yes. If you're comparing someones opinion with refusing entry, then it's not the same. Could a guy wear a "no black women" t-shirt without being arrested?
I meant saying it on a t-shirt & people being offended. Not actually not allowing people into establishments. But "No Black Women" is the same as I meant.

And a bald man will still get preferential treatment over a fat woman because bald isn't "preventable" and many guys shave their heads these days. And overly hairy men can still br manly. It hasnt hurt Robin Williams.

Disfigured people and people with diseases that make them look odd may have trouble, but I am talking about more average people on an every day basis.

You don't see a bnald guy being ridiculed and people walking up to them saying, "You're disgusting" the same way people treat fat people.

I meant saying it on a t-shirt & people being offended. Not actually not allowing people into establishments. But "No Black Women" is the same as I meant.

Well, yes, but there are still places that you can't go if you're black/white (depending on the situation), and it wasn't long ago that there WERE signs saying "no blacks allowed" (or even Irish, etc) meaning not being allowed into the building. Ridicule isn't comparable to physically preventing people from doing something, which is all I really mean.

And a bald man will still get preferential treatment over a fat woman because bald isn't "preventable" and many guys shave their heads these days. And overly hairy men can still br manly. It hasnt hurt Robin Williams.

Maybe not, but that wasn't what i was trying to say. You said that being fat was the last thing you can be discriminated against because of. I don't agree, i think there's lots of things that people are routinely discriminated against for. "No fat chicks" is comparable to the frequent times I've seen people say men being hairy is "ewwwww" on here, is it not? It's an opinon, and it's an opinion that is quite likely to hurt/insult a number of people.

Disfigured people and people with diseases that make them look odd may have trouble, but I am talking about more average people on an every day basis.

And that's a group that is probably discriminated against more than any other?

You don't see a bnald guy being ridiculed and people walking up to them saying, "You're disgusting" the same way people treat fat people.

I've never seen that happen. I have, however, seen hairy and bald men laughed at in the same way as fat people have been laughed at... i.e. behind their backs. Or their appearance being brought into an argument.

I'm not saying it DOESN'T happen, mind.

Anyway, at the end of the day, I do agree that being fat can mean you are often discriminated against, and treated badly. And it's not a nice thing to do.

To me, one of the things wrong with the world today is, that people are inconsiderate to others. Freedom of speech is a legality. But being KIND to others is many times more important. If a person wears a tee shirt that says something unkind, what effect might it have on others? What if a woman is struggling with weight related issues and has seriously low self esteem because of others hurtful insults. What if she is suicidal and she sees such a thing.............Just because a person has a RIGHT to do something, doesnt make it right.

I have to disagree with the sentiment that fat people are the last unprotected group that people are allowed to make fun of. Bald men might not get made fun of anymore but the man with the receding hair line who does the comb over is, Hairy men with Hairy backs and shoulders get made fun of. Ive seen it at the beach, you see a hairy man walking by and its fine and then you see his back and women are very obvious about how disgusting they find it. They might not walk up to him and say Hey shave your back but their expressions, their whispering and muffled laughter after he walks by is very obvious.

It's easy to say "don't worry about it, they're only idiots anyway", but when you feel like there is something about you physically that is unattractive, when you're low in confidence because of it, when you have little self esteem, it is not that easy. We tend to forget that not everyone is as mentally strong as (perhaps) we personally are.

Here's how I see it and its going to be harsh, if someone has a poor self image and they have a low self esteem about themselves how is that my problem? Their low self esteem is something that they have to work on internally,people out there could stop wearing tshirts that say offending things and these people would still have a problem with how they perceive themselves because at the root of the problem is their own perception of themselves. People cannot live their lives worried about how they express themselves might "hurt" other peoples feelings, when the people who get hurt in the first place are people who are already sensitive about the subject to begin with. I was raised very old fashion, I was taught that if you dont like something about yourself fix it, if you cant fix it learn to accept it and if you dont like the conditions that youre in dosomething about it, I was definitely told that whining about something that I didnt like never got things solved, I wasnt coddled thats for sure and it lead to being a person who doesnt really give a flying nut for what other people say. I think the closest I ever came to worrying about that was when I started dating Clint and then it wasnt because people would think that I was ruining his life but that my friends would think that I couldnt do any better than a younger guy. lol Clint usually says that it would be the reversed opinion, that I ended up with a young hot guy like him. :rolleyes: whatever. Then I figured, what the hell, who cares what they think anyways, but if I had been one of those type of people need approval and are defined by other peoples opinions then there is no way that I would have ever been able to be happy with a younger man because I would always be self conscious when i went out with him, what would people say etc etc..

It's not being stronger and that is one thing that rubs me the wrong way is that those of us who are not walking around getting offended at the drop of a hat get labeled :stronger, insensitive, thick skinned, etc etc etc. Im responsible for my own actions and my own thoughts and moments of self expression, I can also accept responsibility that someone else might not agree with those actions, thoughts and moments of self expression. I can accept that, but at some point that other person has to accept responsibility about how they react and what they do with that reaction. If someone is going to run off and kill themselves over a shirt then they had a whole other set of problems bigger than just being overweight.

I read somewhere that 7% of the overweight people out there are fat due to genetics and a lower percentage of that is due to medical conditions. That leaves the rest of us in the overeating, not eating healthy, and not included in the 26% of the group of people who work out. We are judged as lazy and self indulgent, I know that when Im going to eat some pringles that my body really doesnt need the pringles, but I like to eat them, I like how they taste, and my want to eat the pringles is more important than my weight, then I complain a week later when I havent lost any weight, whose fault is it? Mine. I cant blame my fatness on someone else when its my own actions or lack of actions that got me that way in the first place.

People are going to judge, thats just how things are, its a human way of evaluating situations of evaluating people. Ive gone into stores with friends who dress goth are covered in tats, piercings and have seen the reaction of other people to them.

Ive had those same friends talk to me about how they have gone to job interviews and knew from the interviewers expression that they didnt have the job before they even sat down, I have gay friends who have the same thing happen to them, every group who feels discriminated against say the same thing...that they are the last acceptable group of people who are discriminated against. When the truth is, that if youre different from the main stream you will be judged no matter what.

Hell my daughter was all emo'd out at one point and I was amused to see the parental reaction to her from other parents, she was judged before they even found out that she was a good kid with a near 4.0 gpa, Ive told her and all my kids, other peoples opinions are not necessary to be happy, live your life and everyone else will just have to deal with your choices. No one owns you but you, if you let others opinions get to you then youre allowing them to have power over you. At the end of the day, you cant be responsible for anyone but yourself. I think that many of us GEN X ers have gone in the other direction with our kids, we have seen what the "in touch with your inner child", exploring your feelings and being careful of the sensitive ego group that the baby boomers out there have exposed us to all these years have done and we are running in the other direction. I guess we are more like our grandparents, pull yourself up from your bootstraps and nut it up, I dont know, Im ramblng I know but it is 7 am. Im sure I had a point in here somewhere.

The only opinion that matter is your own and if you have a self image problem then its your responsibility to fix it, dont expect strangers to take your self image into account because they dont know you, dont know your problems and some wont care.

I get what the rest of you are saying though, I just dont agree with it.

But don't you think it's nice to know what people are like as soon as they walk by you? A mean T shirt might be worn by a mean person....

But don't you think it's nice to know what people are like as soon as they walk by you? A mean T shirt might be worn by a mean person....


Although I agree to a point..it just shows me that they have absolutely zero respect, self respect, lack of personality and a small cold heart to wear something that affects others. Did i also mention NO CLASS

I think there are MANY groups..as Straw says that are affected by all sorts of comments..verbally AND on shirts, billboards ect. I for one will not be one of those folks that put down others...To each his own however to slam someone for their faults OR struggles is beyond me

I noticed a number of you felt you had to say, "but I'm not a fat girl." I am not sure how I feel about that...Okay, it bothers me a little. I am a voluptuous female, and no, not all men appreciate me, but there are plenty that do, and yes, freedom of speech is important, and I personally would like to know if someone has that hangup so I can steer clear of them.

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Here's how I see it and its going to be harsh, if someone has a poor self image and they have a low self esteem about themselves how is that my problem?

It would become it if you insulted them, they got angry and knifed you or something. Okay, that's extreme, but how you effect other people around you often effects you personally.

Their low self esteem is something that they have to work on internally,people out there could stop wearing tshirts that say offending things and these people would still have a problem with how they perceive themselves because at the root of the problem is their own perception of themselves.

I don't think it's that simple. I think it's obvious that, as a society, we're programmed to believe that certain things are more highly regarded than others, such as the right size and shape body, etc. It's drilled into people as children and becomes their view of what 'normal' is. De-programming this is not as simple as just deciding not to buy into it and to have higher self esteem. This is without even beginning to talk about those whose parents have degraded them as kids for being "too fat" or whatever. Those people have SERIOUS problems that are very possibly never going to be solved... it runs too deep.

People cannot live their lives worried about how they express themselves might "hurt" other peoples feelings, when the people who get hurt in the first place are people who are already sensitive about the subject to begin with.

Simple question. Why not? I don't understand? Why is it so hard not to wear something (or say something) that is blatantly offensive to large groups of people?

I was raised very old fashion, I was taught that if you dont like something about yourself fix it, if you cant fix it learn to accept it and if you dont like the conditions that youre in dosomething about it, I was definitely told that whining about something that I didnt like never got things solved, I wasnt coddled thats for sure and it lead to being a person who doesnt really give a flying nut for what other people say.

Why does that have to be separate from not being insulted. I don't follow? I agree that people need to take responsibility for their own well being, but why does that have to be made even more difficult than it already might be?

It's not being stronger and that is one thing that rubs me the wrong way is that those of us who are not walking around getting offended at the drop of a hat get labeled :stronger, insensitive, thick skinned, etc etc etc. Im responsible for my own actions and my own thoughts and moments of self expression, I can also accept responsibility that someone else might not agree with those actions, thoughts and moments of self expression.

Well, you might disagree, but I think it blatantly is about being 'stronger' as in stronger willed. I wouldn't say you're insensitive if you don't get affected by what other people say though.

every group who feels discriminated against say the same thing...that they are the last acceptable group of people who are discriminated against. When the truth is, that if youre different from the main stream you will be judged no matter what.

I would agree with that. I was thinking that all along. It's easy to be somewhat oblivious to how certain groups are being treated (and feel) if you're not a part of them.