what a bad boy,,,,,

well,I've never made it any secret I am a HUUUUUGE pearl jam Fan ......so I just hade to post this little ditty....poor Eddie ...see whether I agree with him or not,is not the point .He has the right to say what he wants....and yes I am still a HUUUUUGE pearl Jam fan....I'm not gonna start stomping on their CD's(and the Dixie Chicks still are a great band too)....

and I'm sorry but this quote from this article made me laugh so hard I couldn't even see through my tears(laughing so hard I was crying)........"It was like he decapitated someone in a primal ritual and stuck their head on a stick," Zimmerman said. "It kinda blows away the Dixie Chicks."

well anyway...I'm still gonna go see him(them) next sunday night...I don't care who he puts a mask on of.I'll enjoy the show,I know they are an opinionated band ,with songs that deal with all kinds of social issues and other things..,but i am there for the music and think people have the right to their opinions.

this is not a war post,anti or otherwise people.it's just a chit chat topic about a band,so don't anyone go getting upset about it.It was my turn to copy and paste something





Concert-goers head to exits after anti-Bush display
By Mark Brown, Rocky Mountain News
April 3, 2003

Incensed fans walked out of Pearl Jam's concert Tuesday after lead singer Eddie Vedder impaled a mask of President Bush on a microphone stand, then slammed it to the stage.

Most of Vedder's antiwar remarks earlier in the Pepsi Center show were greeted with mixed cheers and scattered boos. But dozens of angry fans walked out during the encore because of the macabre display with the Bush mask, which he wore for the song Bushleaguer, a Bush- taunting song from the band's latest album, Riot Act.

"When he was sharing his political views in a fairly benign manner - supporting our troops, opposing policy - that's OK," said Keith Zimmerman, of Denver.

"When he takes what looks like the head of George Bush on a stick, then throws it to the stage and stomps on it, that's just unacceptable. I love Pearl Jam, but that was just way over the edge. We literally got up and left."

Others joined Zimmerman, some complaining about the lyrics of Bushleaguer, which in part call Bush "a confidence man" and say, "He's not a leader / he's a Texas leaguer."

"I wasn't sure if it was really happening," said Kim Mueller. "We looked at each other and realized he really did have George Bush's head on a stick and was waving it in the air, then slam-med it to the ground and step-ped on it."

"It was like he decapitated someone in a primal ritual and stuck their head on a stick," Zimmerman said. "It kinda blows away the Dixie Chicks."

The Dixie Chicks were the target of boycotts and bannings after making an anti-Bush statement on a London stage in March. (On Wednesday, the Marshall Tucker Band announced it would play a May 1 concert in Spartanburg, S.C., as an alternative to the U.S. tour-opening show in nearby Greenville by the Dixie Chicks that same day.)

Vedder has used the Bush mask in previous shows in Australia and Japan, but Denver's U.S. tour opener was the first show since war broke out in Iraq.

Pearl Jam manager Kelly Curtis couldn't be reached for comment. The Seattle band plays Oklahoma City tonight.

Before Do the Evolution, Vedder told the crowd the tale of a Vietnam vet who expressed severe reservations about war in Iraq to Vedder. The singer was incensed when someone in the crowd yelled, "Shut up!"

"Did someone just say, 'Shut up'? I don't know if you heard about this thing called freedom of speech, man. It's worth thinking about it, because it's going away," Vedder said. "In the last year of being able to use it, we're sure as (expletive) going to use it and I'm not gonna apologize." (AMEN.....YoU GO EDDIE,YES,I added the AMEN thing,nafadda....)

Later in the show, he added to that.

"Just to clarify . . . we support the troops," Vedder said to cheers. "Our problem is certainly not with anybody over there doing something that not too many of us would do right now, not for these reasons.

"So to the families and those people who know those folks and are related to those folks and are married to those folks, we send our support. We're just confused on how wanting to bring them back safely all of a sudden becomes nonsupport. We love them, we support them. They're not the ones who make the foreign policy. . . . Let's hope for the best and speak our opinions."

It was after that when Vedder put on the Bush mask and a sparkling silver jacket. He took off the mask, mounted it on the mike stand, then slammed it to the floor.

this was a follow up i found today....



While others have been forced to buckle in the face of US public opinion, retracting remarks that show anything except whole-hearted approval of Bush and the war in Iraq, Pearl Jam issued a statement following the gig standing by their actions.

"Dissension is nothing we shy away from," they said. "It should just be reported about more accurately. Ed's talk from the stage centred on the importance of freedom of speech and the importance of supporting our soldiers as well as an expression of sadness over the public being made to feel as though the two sentiments can't occur simultaneously."



no wonder I love this band so much....they have a frontman who stands by how he feels,does not "flip flop" or buckle under presure,and stands by his beliefs,no matter who likes it.yes it is a SHAME when things are not reprted more accurately,whatever it may be.being able to say how one feels,as in freedom of speech,seems like a good thing to me.

and if 2 dozen people out of thousands don't like something,i guess it just proves a point that you can't please all the people all the time just like I've always said.



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"Did someone just say, 'Shut up'? I don't know if you heard about this thing called freedom of speech, man. It's worth thinking about it, because it's going away," Vedder said. "In the last year of being able to use it, we're sure as (expletive) going to use it and I'm not gonna apologize."

So let me get this straight. HE(being Eddie Vedder and of course knowing free speech from pure demonization) can.."takes what looks like the head of George Bush on a stick, then throws it to the stage and stomps on it" but some guy can't tell him to "shut up"? double standard anyone? Free speech isn't just for giving people the right to express pure hate and demonization but also for telling anyone you want to shut up. =I

I don't think Eddie's saying that someone can't tell him to shut up.

He's just saying that he's not going to honor the request :>

And more to the point - that the people busily arranging Pearl Jam record-buying boycotts at this very moment should get a grip :>

"I don't think Eddie's saying that someone can't tell him to shut up."

But that's exactly what he implies when he states.."Did someone just say, 'Shut up'? I don't know if you heard about this thing called freedom of speech, man".

as far as boycotting their albums go. Thats peoples right. More power to them. Heck, I've been boycotting Pearl Jam ever sense I heard that song "Jeremy"

wow originalname...what has you so angry....I just got home and read all the post's above this one that you responded to,and you seem to be really pissed at something,or someone...(even Eddie ,what did he do to you???)

If something has you that upset maybe you should ask for some advice.

so on to your post here,well first off ,just yelling at the lead singer to "shut up" is not freedom of speech,it's just LACK OF MANNERS...I mean if you don't like what he is saying at HIS show,then JUST LEAVe...that will leave better seats for the real fans,who know PJ has opinions about ALL kinds of social issues....and you kind of lost me re: the "demonization"thing...if your refering to him doing that to GW...well I mean he made no secret that he didn't like him before the war(if you ever heard the song "Bushleaguer",sso it's not like he's gonna be all warm and fuzzy towards him now...that would be rather FAKE...

and if you boycotted them since "Jeremy",a song and video which shows what happens to kids when allowed to bully other kids,until it ends in bloodshed.a song that may have deeper meaning to some people then"just a good beat",a band that made a really controversial video with that song ,that some people did not even get ,then I just don't think you get it and I won't even try and explain it to you.

you don't have to be a PJ fan,plenty of my friends aren't...but to say you boycott them because of "Jeremy" is just weird...unless of course it was a joke....but if it wasn't,I'm not sure what your suffering from ,but I bet it's hard to pronounce.....but hey,I defend your right to say it.

I'm not angry, but I'm certainly not pleased with "some things".

As far as eddy vedder goes? I'm not asking for him to be all warm and fuzzy towards Mr. Bush(I'm an anarchist, he's not my pres) heck I don't think I like him to much myself, but there is a difference between dislike and, yes, demonizing. Thats all it was to me. And it certainly lacked ANY standard of manners. Shut up is at least short direct and to the point. At least the guy didn't burn an effigy of eddy. And the guy DID leave. After he said his peace. He didn't argue. He just said shut up and left.

As far as Jeremy and what other music they put out, it's just not for me. I didn't have an easy time in school by any stretch of the imagination. And I understand the song. It just doesn't groove for me, naffa. I'm sorry. A band can have both ability and a meaning. They're just not what I like to listen to.

What can I say? You're a Pearl Jam R.E.M.(and that Irish band, the one that did Sunday Bloody Sunday, Ican't remember their name) kinda girl. I'm more of a Geechie Wiley Ledbelly Folk Implsion kinda guy. I'm bbq, your honey mustard. /shrug

ok,that's cool...i always can enjoy a good debate,or disagreement.I refused to get involved in the war ones on here,but this one was a little more benign.....soooooo,
if there are things your not pleased with(bedsides pj)maybe you could post about them and get opinions about some of it...hey Im not pleased with everything or everyone in llife either.and i know everone will not see eye to eye with me,but thats ok,I don't try and shove my beleifs down anyones throut (not saying that you did,it was just a stament)....

ok BBQ,.....thanks for your replies.....oh yea,it's U2....(Bono,The EDge).....yea,their cool......"It's a BEAUTIFUL day,don't let it slip Away":) :) :)

I love honey mustard;)

I say go Eddie! There will always be someone pissed off about something. If he would have said something about protesters another group of people would have got up and left. So has long as he also played some music at this show I would have been happy.

You come for the music. You stay for the hate.

yep...you do come for the music...and if you get it,you stay for the experience....it's a mixture,sure there is hate....he HATES injustice,hmmmm...so DO I....he is not afraid to have an opinion,no matter what others think,or how "unpopular" it may make him at that moment.
but,as any true PJ fan knows,there is soooo much love in some of their music ,you can't help but feel it...I saw that sunday night,when we were fortunate enough to go see them LIVE in Tampa...and as ALWAYS EDDIE was great,and yes he expresed his views about things...gotta love someone not afraid to be REAL.

I guess for some people who don't get the entire being REAL thing and expressing your feelings on things you feel DEEPLY about,besides just being a "SINGER"..you can always listen to Britney Spears,I understand she is quite popular.......

I went for the music originalname...I stayed for IT ALL....the whole experience....what a show!!!!!!I didn't have any hate when I left...I LOVED him even more(except I wish he would grow his hair long again).....yep,eddie may just be a little to hard edge for SOME folks to get...thats why they have the Britney's :eek:

I haven't been in the forum for a long time, but I am sooo happy to see that Naffada still speaks her mind. I only have one comment, and I am not trying to start a war here, just was browsing and wanted to add this.....(in reference to the Dixie Chicks...and I am not a really big fan, but I do enjoy some of their music!) My gosh, it is so sad, we are letting this happen, in this country if you speak your mind, you lose your livelihood! I think Americans are trying to make an example out of the girls (Dixie Chicks). I just have to admit, I, for the life of me can't understand how an OPINION has anything in the world to do with their TALENT? I do understand the comment was made in the wrong place at the wrong time, but gosh, haven't we all put our foot in our mouth at one time or the other in our lives? I am very upset that the DJ's aren't allowed to play their music! Maybe they should pull a Madonna and do a nude album, then these CD stomping idiots, will do a complete turn around. OOPS....then, there would be another scandal, using their bodies to get what they want????? Ha....and the beat goes on..................................:D :D :D

They're musicians. Buy their album if you like the music. Don't buy the album if you don't like the music. It's that simple.

[ firedupfoxz ]I haven't been in the forum for a long time, but I am sooo happy to see that Naffada still speaks her mind. [/QUOTE]

thanks foxz,that's the one thing you can be sure that I will never have a problem with....."speaking my mind".

just like Eddie."Dissension is nothing we shy away from,"

there are some threads that I won't get involved in,because there is just too much to get into ,and besides not having that kind of time on my hands to do it,the subject matter is something I do not want to discuss here...Eg: the war threads...I kinda feel that if they don't understand your silence,they won't understand your words.and i just can't force feed my beliefs or opinions to people.I can voice them,but it's not to try and change how others feel.





[firedupfoxz]I just have to admit, I, for the life of me can't understand how an OPINION has anything in the world to do with their TALENT? [/QUOTE]

yep,makes you wonder,did these people loose their talent all of a sudden...NO,they didn't....they just voiced their opinion in this country of FREE SPEECH....but it wasn't the POPULAR OPINION...so I guess that makes them bad:( that's rather lame to me,but goes to show,there are leaders and followers,and some people will just go along with what the majority says is right,not realizing that just because the majority says it's right does not make it so..

so I will continue to have my own opinions and never go along with anything just because I'm afraid if I don't ,I won't be popular.

[firedupfoxz]haven't we all put our foot in our mouth at one time or the other in our lives? [/QUOTE]

maybe once or twice;)

so if you'll excuse me now,i have to go put on my cd of Dixie Chicks/Pearl Jam mix and enjoy it as always :)

Originally posted by firedupfoxz


My gosh, it is so sad, we are letting this happen, in this country if you speak your mind, you lose your livelihood! I think Americans are trying to make an example out of the girls (Dixie Chicks). I just have to admit, I, for the life of me can't understand how an OPINION has anything in the world to do with their TALENT? I do understand the comment was made in the wrong place at the wrong time, but gosh, haven't we all put our foot in our mouth at one time or the other in our lives?



It's their right to speak their mind, and it's others right not to buy their records, etc. Is it wrong to refuse to support someone that derides the leaders of our nation? Free speech is a right, but exercising it has consequences. Many have lost their livelihoods before for saying something, why should they be different.

this came from a site called famousidiot.com..it's really pretty funny..I mean some people post how these artist are communists and anti american.....sure they are


Most Boycotted Artists: Total
#1 Dixie Chicks 4742
#2 Barbra Streisand 4207
#3 Eddie Vedder 3639
#4 Michael Stipe 3525
#5 Bruce Springsteen 3499
#6 Chris Martin 3352
#7 Madonna Ciccone 3341
#8 Chrissy Hynde 2026
#9 Sheryl Crow 1976
#10 Dave Matthews


funny thing is the Dixie Chicks did a sold out show just last night in SC....just goes to show,there will always be a few people you just can't please.....All these artists still have MANY fans,despite the fact that they voice their opinions.
I hear Eddie Vedder was hopeing to be #1 on the list though....