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looking for a special woman just for chat only

andrewross21
08-29-2003, 12:40 PM
Hello, my name is Andrew

I live in Glasgow, in Scotland, in the UK.

Im 23, and im currently studying for a law degree. I have previously completed a joint honours degree in Accountancy and Economics

I work part time in the evenings at a bank to make ends meet.

What am I looking for ? A special older woman just for chat, nothing else.

How would I describe myself ? Im quiet, shy, sensitive. I don't drink, and I don't smoke. I'm not an aggresive person, I'm very shy and quiet, I got bullied at school.

How do I look ? Well, im very skinny, my measurements are only 33-28-33, so I guess my body is shaped more like a woman's than a mans. I only weigh 9.5 stone, so I don't have the big, broad shouldered, muscular athletic physique.

Why do I mention my appearance ? Well, it causes a lot of problems for me. Clothes that don't fit properly, are too baggy. It really undermines my confidence. I can't go anywhere near the beach or the swimming pool because of that, especailly when women are there.

To be honest, I dread spending time with women. I hate the experience of wanting to say something, but having nothing to say, and I hate the awkward silence this produces. Women probably think that I don't like them, when the opposite is true.

I don't have much experience with women. I've never had a girlfriend, i'm still a virgin at 23. Ive never been on a date with a girl or kissed a girl or even held hands with a girl. At the school dance, I was one of the ones that nobody wanted to dance with. Because of this, I've had to live with the 'gay' tag for some time now. They keep asking "why don't you have a girlfriend ?". Why is it so hard for people to understand that im single because im unattractive ? No one seems to understand me.

Being skinny makes me feel very unattractive. Especially when women are so attracted to the handsome hunk, who just has to walk into the room, and the women's heart flutters. He doesn't have to say anything or do anything, and his social skills can be even worse than mine, but he still ends up with all that female attention.

I think I can safely say that I've never had that effect on women. I don't blame them though. Why have beef on the bone, when you can have a slice of the beefcake instead ? lol

I can't help think that my physique must be such a big disappointment for women. They all seem to want that tall, muscular athletic type. Its so deeply ingrained by popular culture in books, films, magazines. It feels so frustrating that I can't be one of those "strong" guys. What women wants someone who is probably physically weaker than them ? It makes me feel very sad.

Ladies, is that really true ? is that what a woman really wants ?

I don't have any friends, I've always been unpopular with guys as well. I got picked on because of my sensitivity. To illustrate what I mean, one time at school, a group of the other boys had a porn magazine, and they held it open over my face, I had to close my eyes, I couldn't look at it, and they all laughed at me. They did it deliberatly, because they knew that I am very shy about sex and women.

I dont have a good relationship with my father. I feel much closer to my mother. It probably sounds really sad, but the only times I've ever spent an evening out with a woman is with my mother. Shes very unhappy and trapped in an unhappy marriage. She doesn't have any friends either and doesn't go out very often. As a young child, I used to hold my mothers hand everywhere I went.

My happiest memories are when my mother took me swimming as a young child. I was allowed to go into the womens changing room with my mother instead of going into the mens changing room. I have always felt very uncomfortable undressing in front of other men, it was so much nicer to go to the womens changing room instead, and showering with my mother instead of the other boys. Shes the only woman, I never felt stupid because of my physique.

My mothers marriage is very unhappy, it got so bad that she had secretly run up a huge credit card bill, but was so frightened about being found out that she tried to kill my father by hitting him over the head with a hammer. They argue a lot of the time, and my father undermines her condifence all the time. I really hate him a lot of the time.

I don't know why im attracted to older women. To be honest, when I was at school, mathematics exercises were more interesting than girls, it was only later that women become "interesting".

I often feel a strong urge to really please women. Can anyone explain this ? It really frustrates me that I can't do this because my body is so weak, and my social skills are so poor. I'll probably be no good at giving women orgasms, something I really want to do. I just don't see how a woman could be aroused by someone so skinny and physically weak as me.

Gillian
08-30-2003, 03:13 AM
Hi Andrew,

I would strongly encourage to post you've written here, verbatim, on the OW/YM Relationship Support forum. You seem to be dealing with some serious problems and issues in your life. The OW/YM forums would give you a much wider arena for chat and discussion, empathy and advice from and with a lot of extraoridnarily wise and caring people.

You're an articulate, intelligent person but from what you've described perhaps you should widen your focus for a while and not pin your hopes so much on one special older woman just for chat. I mean no offense, but I sense so much sadness and conflict in your life that could really use some help.

All the best,
Gillian

Tru
08-30-2003, 04:49 PM
I have been touched since I first read your post and I have tried to think of something to say to you but I find myself at a loss for answers. (I don't really have answers...only my own thoughts)

I do wish you would post this over under the support topic like Gillian said. I think that you might get some more feedback.

I can tell you I know all women don't prefer the tall, muscular, athletic type you described. I think if you really start looking around...look at couples when you are in the local fast food place, or at the market. Look everywhere...I bet you will start to notice couples where the guy is fat and the woman is average or couples where they are both very short, or where the man is not so handsome and the woman is very pretty, etc.. I have been looking a lot lately as I am in a relationship with a 22 year age gap. I can't believe sometimes that he would want to be with me...a woman 22 years older than him (and I don't look 20 something I assure you). I began to notice that it seems that if you are open to love, everyone can find someone.

I don't think there is any shame in being a virgin at 23. I find it refreshing. Everyone has to have their first kiss or hand holding sometime...you may be a few years behind the average but I know you are not alone. I know someone who's story is VERY similar to yours. He made it through that painful time and is now very happy.

I would like to suggest the internet is a great place to start to build your confidence. You can learn to converse with others, girls in particular and make friends. It is a lot easier from behind the monitor and it is a great learning experience. Taking it from the internet to real life may not be easy, but I think it will be a big help to have had the experiences online first. I know it helped my friend.

You say you have a strong urge to please women. As long as that stays in a healthy give and take relationship, I think that is a beautiful quality in a man. I bet you will be very caring and make some woman very happy.

Best wishes,

Tru

swanqueen
08-30-2003, 05:03 PM
I agree that you need to be on the other side of the forum. That being said, I also agree that you have many issues you bring up. My son is 28 and to the best of my knowledge he is also a virgin. There is no shame in waiting for the right situation, we don't all go off and fornicate in our teens.
I DO NOT NOR NEVER HAVE looked for a buff man to date, I have dated men that trolls would have a hard time with. Fat, short, bald, no teeth, seriously, I'm not kidding. It is not the appearance that matters. There certainly is a type of woman that will notice the georgous man walking into the pub, don't you know that applies to men too. Don't you think us older, heavier, wrinklier women with so much to offer might wonder how men could be so superficial. BUT NOT ALL MEN ARE, and not all women are. Come on over and chat a while. We will mend your broken spirit, well we will try. The truth is, one has to WANT to be mended.

swanqueen
08-30-2003, 05:05 PM
oops my bad, I guess you are on OW/YM now


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