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    Wish me luck--career change, kind of

    I've decided to apply for a teaching position. It's a career change, but not really.

    I went to school to be a secondary ed teacher. I figured it was a good career track. I was about half right. I've waited 5 years for an opening in my content area, that didn't require relocation.

    I'll have to jump through some hoops, because I have the Bachelor's, and additional specialized knowledge in the content area, plus enough credits in other subjects for 2 additional endorsements. Beyond that, I have completed several racial/ethnic/cultural/socio-economic diversity training seminars; two of which are well-known and highly-regarded. I also happen to hold current train-the-trainer certification for one of them.

    However, I do not currently have teaching certification. I'll apply for the job, with the provision that I will obtain certification (that's allowed here). I'll need to talk to the district or the state board of ed to find out which alternate certification path I should follow, but I may meet the requirements for a content specialist.

    I've been looking since December, being selective where I've applied and just keeping aware of what's out there. I've passed on several, and I think the right opportunity has finally come along. Today, the grumpy guy hit the nail on the head when he described my workplace as a hostile work environment.

    While I love what I do, the content area in which I earned my degree is my true passion. I very much miss being in an academic environment.

    I'll be working on my application packet over the next couple of weeks. I'll probably have lots of venting to do.

    Wish me luck!

    MM
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    Good for you MM! Hope everything works out!

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    Can you start moving the certification process while you wait? I do not know your system so maybe I am asking something that does not make sense. In any case good luck! I like teaching, it changes lives in a positive way.
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    If you have a stable job, with good benefits and retirement, don't do it! There is no job security in teaching until you get tenure which could take several years. When you're a teacher, you're not just doing academics. You are mom, dad, therapist, disciplinarian. You pay for supplies out of pocket. Your kids will get pregnant, be on drugs, some will bounce in-out of the juvenile justice system. It's all drama all the time. You spend all your "free time" with horrible detailed lesson planning and grading papers. You will have zero free time and you'll be under constant scrutiny from administration to make sure you're covering all State Standards and then if your kids don't do well on the state standardized exams, you get blamed. Doesn't matter if your student lives in 2 bedroom apartment with 12 people and sleeps on the floor without a quiet place to live, it's YOUR fault. If Grumpy Guy gets really sick and you're getting substitutes all the time to help him with doctor appointments, you'll be non-reelected (fired) for the next school year due to lack of attendance. Until this cancer thing is handled, DO NOT make any changes. Bad, bad, bad idea. Summer vacations aside, teaching will consume your life and you'll be constantly battling students/parents/admin. Grumpy Guy is a handful. Don't be a dreamer and think high school teaching will improve your life or give you more free time. It won't. Schools are a hostile work environment. Don't kid yourself.
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    Good luck, MM! You'll be a wonderful teacher!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SheLikesKitties View Post
    Can you start moving the certification process while you wait? I do not know your system so maybe I am asking something that does not make sense. In any case good luck! I like teaching, it changes lives in a positive way.
    It's possible to do that, but with my transcript I don't need to. I've already completed well beyond the maximum required hours of study in pedagogy (education theory) in order to be permitted in the classroom, and for me there is no reason to invest the time or $$$ in the certification coursework & exams unless I'm hired for a teaching position.

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    have you considered the impact that GGs cancer will have on your new career, time management, stress, etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gorillagirl View Post
    If you have a stable job, with good benefits and retirement, don't do it! There is no job security in teaching until you get tenure which could take several years. When you're a teacher, you're not just doing academics. You are mom, dad, therapist, disciplinarian. You pay for supplies out of pocket. Your kids will get pregnant, be on drugs, some will bounce in-out of the juvenile justice system. It's all drama all the time. You spend all your "free time" with horrible detailed lesson planning and grading papers. You will have zero free time and you'll be under constant scrutiny from administration to make sure you're covering all State Standards and then if your kids don't do well on the state standardized exams, you get blamed. Doesn't matter if your student lives in 2 bedroom apartment with 12 people and sleeps on the floor without a quiet place to live, it's YOUR fault. If Grumpy Guy gets really sick and you're getting substitutes all the time to help him with doctor appointments, you'll be non-reelected (fired) for the next school year due to lack of attendance. Until this cancer thing is handled, DO NOT make any changes. Bad, bad, bad idea. Summer vacations aside, teaching will consume your life and you'll be constantly battling students/parents/admin. Grumpy Guy is a handful. Don't be a dreamer and think high school teaching will improve your life or give you more free time. It won't. Schools are a hostile work environment. Don't kid yourself.
    I don't have good retirement. I have zero retirement, other than my employer-sponsored simple IRA. I contribute, and make the most of my employer match.

    What I do have is a coworker who sabotages my work. His behavior isn't actionable, so I can't file a harassment complaint even though I'm the target of his behavior. My employer does not have an anti-bullying policy. However, as a member of the team who's been tasked with developing our new employee orientation, I am in a good position to suggest an anti-bullying policy.

    I've talked directly to my coworker. I've gone to our supervisor. I've talked to him AND our supervisor. I've been to HR. HR brought the three of us in, in an attempt to mediate the situation. It is apparent to HR that there *is* a problem, most of it isn't me, and neither my supervisor nor my coworker are inclined to change the situation.

    I'm not sure how stable my job is. In some ways, it's one of the most secure positions at the agency but it's low paying and dead end. There are no advancement opportunities and minimal pay increases.

    In other ways, I feel like I'm being edged out. I have zero leadership support. There's overlap between my position description and areas which fall within the purview of two different program managers. When the agency accepted the money for my position, they didn't look at their contracts and decide what this position's areas of responsibility would be. They just wrote a position description that sounded good. So I'm in a situation where on paper, three people are duplicating efforts. In reality, nobody was doing it until I came along, read the contracts, state plans, and program manuals, and started filling in the gaps. Because they see it as me doing their job, the other two feel like I'm making a negative criticism of their performance OR I'm focusing on something which really isn't that important. In reality, both are overburdened and had let this slide because there was little emphasis on it until recently. Neither of them have the educational background I do, and their natural strengths lie in other areas. Every day for the past 3 1/2 years, I've had to choose between butting in and stepping on toes in order to even have a job to do, or observe the routine of the workplace, be perceived as doing nothing, when in reality I'm taking note of what isn't being done and doing it while making as few waves as possible.

    Without fail, someone else comes along, sees what I'm doing, and decides that what I'm doing is so easy they can do it too. Either that, or it's their job and I've taken it, and they need to take it back. They haven't attended the meetings I've been to, they haven't participated in the same discussions, and haven't been in the field long enough to know what's coming down the pike. When the monitors come around, they feel free to speak on my behalf and get it wrong.

    In order for me to stay where I am, some things would have to change. The position description for the job I have would need to be rewritten. It needs to be clear that my position, not the two program managers, is responsible for oversight (for lack of a better word at this moment) in this particular area. Leadership (a conversation from the top down, not I bring it up to them) would need to make it clear to both program managers and their supervisors that the person in my position is the one who'll report on it to the monitors. Either that, or it needs to be established that this position is 100% community outreach for the utility company and zero percent involved in agency compliance with the state contracts. This *could* happen, in theory. In practice, it's such a low priority that it won't happen until it becomes a crisis. It's not worth it to me, to be that crisis. It probably won't become a crisis until they have to deal with filling a vacant position and not receiving the full amount of the anticipated reimbursement from the utility company. In which case, it won't be my problem any more.

    The bullying coworker would need to be taken down a size or two...or ten. That's not likely to happen. I would need a raise so my pay and benefits are comparable to the other people of the same "rank" who have similar academic credentials, overall work experience, and time with the employer. (Right now, I'm paid significantly less.) That is also not likely to happen.

    The things you mention plus collateral duties and NCLB are exactly why I realized I did not want to teach high school, and did not stay the extra year to get my secondary ed certification after completing the coursework for my BA. I wouldn't consider a teaching position in just any community, for precisely the reasons you list. I would consider dealing with all that crap, because I think it's worth it for the contributions I can make to this particular community. I also think my unique contribution to the community would be deeply appreciated rather than squelched.

    Just because I apply doesn't mean I'll get the job. Even if I'm selected, I don't have to accept if something about the process gives me the feeling it's not the right situation for me.

    MM
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    Quote Originally Posted by gorillagirl View Post
    have you considered the impact that GGs cancer will have on your new career, time management, stress, etc?
    Right now, the grumpy guy is stable. I had one foot out the door before he was diagnosed. If I was less available, he'd either deal with it or he wouldn't.

    I'm not going to get where I want to be in my life if I stay where I am. I need to do something that amounts to moving forward with my life, and I need to earn more money or relocate to a community where I can afford decent housing.

    I've been looking for another job since December, when I had to take a week off work due to work-related stress.

    In January, we increased the dosage on my Effexor...which I resumed taking in March 2012 due to work related stress, after being completely off meds for more than 5 years.

    I have until September to bring my blood pressure down to normal. If I don't, I have to go on blood pressure medication. The increase in my blood pressure is primarily due to work-related stress.

    I can't stay bogged down here just because I'm living with a guy who got cancer. In addition to the teaching position, I have another opportunity for change...but that one is 350 miles away. I'd like to be in a situation where I got to take my choice of the two. As soon as I mentioned the one which requires relocation, his response was "it's been nice knowing you."

    Although he immediately backpedaled to staying in touch on facebook and me coming home on the weekends, I felt with that comment he was continuing to make it very clear our relationship would be the first thing he'd sacrifice, if something in his life needed to go. Why do I want to re-arrange the rest of my life for that?

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    I mentioned that I have a coworker who engages in bullying behavior, and that those behaviors include sabotaging my work. Applying for positions with other employers doesn't mean I'll get them; if I am selected, I have at least another month where I am.

    Any tips on dealing with a workplace bully?

    The current plan:

    Taking into consideration that our written position descriptions have never been modified to reflect shared duties, I'm having nothing to do with "his" duties and focusing on those things for which I am solely responsible.

    While I find it to be a petty non-resolution, I think it's the only solution available to me.

    MM
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    secretly let the air out of his tires and put a note on the windshield that says "stop bullying coworkers."
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    Quote Originally Posted by gorillagirl View Post
    secretly let the air out of his tires and put a note on the windshield that says "stop bullying coworkers."
    LOL

    *something* needs to be deflated, and I'm certain it's not his tires.
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